From nobody Sun Sep 08 13:02:30 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X1qrH325hz5Tp5P for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 13:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X1qrH0wWHz58pC for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 008578928E; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 13:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.18.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 488D2UvB069580; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:02:30 GMT (envelope-from phk) Message-Id: <202409081302.488D2UvB069580@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Alexander Leidinger cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) In-reply-to: <908e7c45fbcea4634427b8d065bb2f20@Leidinger.net> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <908e7c45fbcea4634427b8d065bb2f20@Leidinger.net> List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <69578.1725800550.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 13:02:30 +0000 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1qrH0wWHz58pC -------- Alexander Leidinger writes: I'm only going to answer two bits from your email: > > The source tree became our citadel: "FreeBSD is src". If something > > was not in src, it was not FreeBSD. > > We are way past that too, FreeBSD is src+ports+docs(+community). Nope. The only reason the Rust advocates need to bring this up is /precisely/ because that is not the case. If it were, they would just have added ports. > In your world. And in the world of some other people. But there are a = > lot of worlds where this is not true. I have systems which are updated = > from src, and use only packages which are build locally. Beware of selection bias. "Somebody who compiles from src" is almost the literal definition of "comm= itter". In terms of all the FreeBSD running hardware out there, not even one percent of one percent of the machines compile from src. (Hint: Consumer electronics and server farms running FreeBSD) Poul-Henning -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .