From nobody Tue Sep 03 22:16:30 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Wz0Mv4LbDz5MXVW for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2024 22:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Wz0Mv12Rtz49ks for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 22:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 483MGV9a083947; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1725401797; x=1725402397; r=y; bh=OKr4ILdHY49bazGTLnAQcdkWjOTPfX30eVDPU/dXPVY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=uqNdREyuRnoVx9Mor9XBFQgAESnx5QG2NuveoW9dM2fykCmOo5YqqIIOC8Y4blTKt vkBYtkmg/+tlRIotb84teGTgaGkNfs/5eMJFdUFynPDYWhsMMN001gVDV6E/cUK/Lg ENfun6wg9VOl8SMkXekxeArsuMK+k/CoXg8RXJ9nlxXOgYMcT5473MiB6eOgQuMYIy 6y+YvnwL2k3KvmOWNWmRTPC0/Cd+E2ssYZAh87kO9kvqBX1QAVrALdb1Dl3wqs29bo jsUOCONm6ZJGFiRal1HTUxKZrPbJ9AcScj4E8dEB0GxvVfo//FQGZWZoPnuBk7KiLu 3jzWlY429NcJg== List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 15:16:30 -0700 From: Chris To: David Cross Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) In-Reply-To: <159D15FA-6235-484C-A54A-565E3CDEA690@gmail.com> References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <159D15FA-6235-484C-A54A-565E3CDEA690@gmail.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Wz0Mv12Rtz49ks On 2024-09-03 12:36, David Cross wrote: >> On Sep 3, 2024, at 11:32 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> What is FreeBSD ? >> ----------------- >> >> Forget Rust for the moment, I promise I will come back to it. >> >> FreeBSD as a project was created almost entirely as protest against >> the incompetent "UNIX-industry" as it existed around 1990. ... >> >> This distribution format is neither more nor less perfect with >> respect to reproducible builds and "Reflections on trusting trust" >> than what we have today. >> >> And yes, we have ports written in Rust, why do you ask? >> >> Poul-Henning >> >> PS: I overdosed on release work 25+ years ago, and have not been >> paying them much attention since, but if this is what the pkgbase >> crew has been pushing for more than a decade, we all owe them an >> apology. > > As a quick note I constantly build freebsd from source. I do it for all of > my > systems for all updates, all patch releases. > > I may be an outlier here, ... You're definitely not. I build world/kernel for the multitude of servers (and home equipment). For the servers, I only need to do it once (per hardware profile). Where I then simply make images and pour it onto the boot/storage media. In my opinion, the most attractive feature of the BSD's are that there are so darned many options. There is no one-size-fits-all for anything, and the fact that FreeBSD provides so many options to make/install/add/subtract/... provides a near perfect match that tailors to anyone's needs. --Chris