From nobody Wed Jun 12 19:46:18 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Vzwyv0GD8z5NLYl for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x534.google.com (mail-pg1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Vzwyt5c5bz440P; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pg1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-6bce380eb9bso133602a12.0; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:46:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1718221588; x=1718826388; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=9YPd79DDSeVbSyGzKCPJm0ziQCtVLbMfaWbrTjKX5l8=; b=IJTJ1iTFhHHBG+EMzAmRwQmDe+6zqUTH82YZKFJSHvtZSx5/9cEWUpcIvS9p3SlPk3 xb1RGDD/feAolDCUSfOECg6A7rMUfOBTn+J2Q7H3SoW5Ul6I5/N9RWT1fmxXG6z39uU0 a0G3VT8wF1l6SE0my0m75NcyPD45Wsc8o6MgBCA+Ug0T9mV9F61yiz96qD9mmz21FrG8 YAesuDcOe+kifjpE4FWvfwLQ9U5IjY7cCtB4q9Xuna0DDuB73t66cAQ6HP7KMd1qywqk CxlLKUpq6n0AWyfhXYPcPZF67d15VnmMA4f0d4buaUNRgvQxqjSxlQiZFnXXTUxsl3ou 4T0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718221588; x=1718826388; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=9YPd79DDSeVbSyGzKCPJm0ziQCtVLbMfaWbrTjKX5l8=; b=kA9Enj1S8qaRCwxJc5Bp1nfpQ0RC7wvjFTyzDknVf0xyO5RTjrkwGOsTRWGrQfJxWt Sp/jOZtglZmjjtvbhMz9QMgLqKKl6ze81C1oj3QvcZZwiFHr2BK0zj1SWac/s4aLV+ly 6Je1ravafrjGCKKJrcWv7/XT4p2nlsAFn6XE6Q4W7O8aXX3E+RgA86qULYHgFF6JncZE WPh6KS2iu8nMbkeQYaAjQqoWfUo6BdgHdlnpmFZh0hgoVdCMRvyIb8GLl9zCOxS0Nq9l /deWw5J4IxJYJserqkfPEr/erB8PTcS27y3mzwYmNLAjTGgCLvk/FoyiJU0SE5/Z4ct1 UbiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyooNv0t3sTVmpzMeYcdUIoqMEl0yv6bf+3BQ7uMQqZNG68sGT+ 8H8cOHX0dKh2yurjyTHppzG80gJW+Dr+9unDp7dAkjfpC3CQ4dUFy3RnZsvAQfa5zNqwhsa4Pki JAOyxVgWhHl40r9neiDd4Rdt5g5zp X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGEgJSGHzHo624JBVkyjxTGBJygGz4999mYCzfiCwaaJxRtbR0WIeo1nJMphuL9GXnIJ4d0+fnivjvwL2oN9Fw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ab8d:b0:2c3:13d:735 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c4a76d3f1amr2777406a91.32.1718221588261; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rick Macklem Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Removing "CMOS clock set to UTC" question To: Ed Maste Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Vzwyt5c5bz440P On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:22=E2=80=AFAM Ed Maste wrote= : > > Our installer asks (via tzsetup): > > > Is this machine's CMOS clock set to UTC? If it is set to local time, > > or you don't know, please choose NO here! > > I've heard many reports of new users being confused by this question > when installing FreeBSD for the first time. I don't think it provides > much value; it is a minor convenience for dual-booting with Windows > but imposes a cost on everyone installing FreeBSD. It is trivial to > configure the system to use local time in the system's real-time clock > by creating /etc/wall_cmos_clock. Other operating systems do not ask, > they just default to local time (Windows) or UTC (everyone else). You might want to replace the question with a one sentence note describing the above. Every time I run into it, I spend about 10min remembering the name /etc/wall_cmos_clock. But, yea, I also never think about whether to answer yes or no and fix in l= ater. rick > > I've proposed removing the question from bsdinstall in > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D45569. >