From nobody Wed Jun 12 17:07:07 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VzsRJ2krrz5N5Ky for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from x9k@charlie.emu.st) Received: from f3.bushwire.net (f3.emu.st [IPv6:2403:580c:e522:0:203:0:120:11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VzsRD5kQFz4nrh for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from x9k@charlie.emu.st) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=emu.st header.s=2019 header.b=RDDdmXwr; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of x9k@charlie.emu.st designates 2403:580c:e522:0:203:0:120:11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=x9k@charlie.emu.st Received: by f3.bushwire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D2CAB4E627; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 03:07:07 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=emu.st; s=2019; t=1718212027; bh=0eji92BvRDY/7GnqueFxRT8JRYc=; h=Comments:Received:From:Comments:Message-ID:Content-Type: References:Mime-Version:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:Date:To: Subject; b=RDDdmXwrNGO4U/QmWBuqbAiYOtWjXrD0FPZ31+JqZ5Vi9D+TMQlbhRoYNN6ZqomI/ bzcX/LAM4BTS7iDyyfyOTkTaqNLRSXkbZnIPzAEGUzWX6y2H/WKtIR8OiZORtYbfx7 MKXmWZRS0ldncRhdONFupjs6SHHeCNmyX1eayiGo=eayiGo= Comments: QMDA 0.3a Received: (qmail 3697 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jun 2024 17:07:07 -0000 From: "Mark Delany" Comments: QMDASubmit submit() 0.2.0-final Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1718212027.814-0x75c1f0@qmda.emu.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 References: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:07:07 +0000 To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Removing "CMOS clock set to UTC" question X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.66 / 15.00]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[emu.st:s=2019]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.85)[-0.848]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.23)[-0.233]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2403:580c:e522::0/48]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4764, ipnet:2403:5800::/27, country:AU]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[emu.st]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[emu.st:-] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VzsRD5kQFz4nrh On 12Jun24, Ed Maste apparently wrote: > Our installer asks (via tzsetup): > > > Is this machine's CMOS clock set to UTC? If it is set to local time, > > or you don't know, please choose NO here! > > I've heard many reports of new users being confused by this question And experienced users too! I've been installing FBSD and various other OSes for decades and whenever I see that question invariable: a) I have no clue as to what the machine's CMOS clock is set to in the first instance b) I do not want the hassle of stopping the install to gain access to some obscure BIOS screen that might or might not give me the answer. c) I have no clue as to the implications of answering this question one way or the other. d) I don't know whether it's a good idea or not to change the CMOS clock to UTC if it's not the case. Is it? e) I don't think I've ever seen a similar question asked by any other OS install. At the very least the message should indicate what happens if you get the answer wrong. Does the system fail to install, does the clock run backwards, will my dog stop barking? What? Mark.