From nobody Wed Jan 31 10:44:04 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TPzDq0ZHlz57W4V for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from borjam@sarenet.es) Received: from cu1176c.smtpx.saremail.com (cu1176c.smtpx.saremail.com [195.16.148.151]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TPzDp5PS6z4Lkg; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from borjam@sarenet.es) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from localhost (unknown [194.30.0.88]) by sieve-smtp-backend02.sarenet.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52E160C354; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:44:17 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sarenet.es; h= x-mailer:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date :date:in-reply-to:from:from:subject:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-type:received:received:received:received; s=saremail; t=1706697857; bh=3dKt0hzFLGoNfT3WjgD8YyltkBooFz6nK2 fuenzwRDo=; b=wdqrWGIwL37LdRhr/uTpRQoC6MmbCwcWW1qBUaifeu1oKSiiMS 5nx/sNeLfD8h2LcgSoHtGwjRxjCCYuneRyKhPIvnPNj9rx7+cTAvMKkkPfPN1F+x KFzIbyY424WersYX5UdCrOwONdbWQArUzsQa5AKed3FTisD8GeCpEWvRPs0FTYoB jPU/sSLJTL0Hs4AZo3X9wodgDUAgX1tyZae4N8+6pdhs1VCT6ip0fGJ/r5Tw0xJv h7qWUxMi8lsck7U6EQ5ifXcgXHukBW+cA+tYfZYMJc/hrJICVOxDQh9okwwRZ7gP YSntY8bF0JXt0l0vzdgqYJYrQIDc5DpsOymw== X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - dkim-disclaimer03.saremail.com Received: from sieve-smtp-backend02.sarenet.es ([194.30.0.95]) by localhost (dkim-disclaimer03.saremail.com [194.30.0.88]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jNPQ8EAfqUQT; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:44:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [194.30.0.88]) by sieve-smtp-backend02.sarenet.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEA560C317; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:44:17 +0100 (CET) X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - dkim-disclaimer03.saremail.com Received: from sieve-smtp-backend02.sarenet.es ([194.30.0.95]) by localhost (dkim-disclaimer03.saremail.com [194.30.0.88]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id NNOXHOxfQ0hT; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:44:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [192.148.167.11]) AUTENTIFICADOSAREMAIL by sieve-smtp-backend02.sarenet.es (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4AB9D60C332; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:44:15 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system) From: Borja Marcos In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:44:04 +0100 Cc: Antranig Vartanian , Alan Somers , FreeBSD Hackers , Warner Losh , Scott Long , =?utf-8?Q?Goran_Meki=C4=87?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Wojciech Puchar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) X-dominio-dkim: sarenet.es X-rutado-saremail: smtp1176 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TPzDp5PS6z4Lkg X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3262, ipnet:195.16.128.0/19, country:ES] > On 31 Jan 2024, at 11:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t want to do a what-aboutism, but if all we=E2=80=99re = looking for is a good and >> secure system programming language, the alternatives are nicer. > The is no such thing as secure system programming language. > Security come only from proper programming practices. While I think I agree with the arguments against including Rust, there = are programming languages that make it really hard to manage the possible interactions between components and = hence expose you to security issues.=20 C is the =E2=80=9Crust golden=E2=80=9D example. Complexity can become = unbearable and it can be compared to programming in assembler. ;) Borja.