From nobody Mon Jan 22 23:03:22 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TJm3h2R7Jz58NjK for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.antonovs.family", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TJm3g5Sbbz4d7w; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none ("invalid DKIM record") header.d=antonovs.family header.s=20200215 header.b=pYjABNes; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=20200215; t=1705964603; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=g1juI0w2rfl0bQbhwypYtq764zI0WEzicUz/cke4H9Y=; b=pYjABNesAIqOLFlD2d9oSUx11kaqD7zaATL1htP4HZ6g0ZzW4dPv13WicPDZfJfSRF1SbQ bshISarUQw6j664ZtOjxsw3474Cq3k23wzJg7wAmEUvVQ/Pvha+5ipbvL9e62oNd3dDw/M EJA5Bzb2uV9oEd9NWyL1hvmsuKlXUPM= Received: by mail.antonovs.family (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id befc03f2 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4df8a943-8a19-4a44-9b9b-58d47d8c89eb@antonovs.family> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 15:03:22 -0800 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: The Problem Of Governance (or lack thereof) Content-Language: en-US References: <35291af8-7800-480c-b692-c145b343f628@antonovs.family> To: core@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers From: Ihor Antonov In-Reply-To: <35291af8-7800-480c-b692-c145b343f628@antonovs.family> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <35291af8-7800-480c-b692-c145b343f628@antonovs.family> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.57 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.979]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.827]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[antonovs.family:s=20200215]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:~] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TJm3g5Sbbz4d7w On 1/22/24 15:01, Rob Wing wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 1:00 PM Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > I find it very confusing. A former core team member and a prominent > member of the community openly denies the > documented purpose of the elected team. The core itself remains > silent. > Who to believe? > > > sounds like the website could be updated to reflect phk's description. > > any other confusions? Nope. That would be great. Lets have someone put this on the website: > Core is more of a "General Secretary" function, who's job it is to > keep the meeting in order, provide paper, pencils and refreshment. -- Ihor Antonov