From nobody Mon Jan 22 23:01:35 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TJlzv3GGGz58NSX for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob.fx907@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22f.google.com (mail-lj1-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TJlzt6cNJz4bn1; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob.fx907@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2cd7ebdd489so8142931fa.0; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 15:00:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1705964409; x=1706569209; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EmxOltGyF2msLAFbLUw0AMxRJcpOKHCXvyuQ3mp+BD8=; b=Yivzps8++nAMs8p3+K/mpqimkmjLvzsxjD5SuS56aD2zm1hXr1eVko2uhRxVSdIrYh QDtAmL3sw6tispZRarqX5esrjbiWyHDr7ZFYNVB/sOXmYhuRGTep/0sx3IPiSBXGV02q lOVitUzZZGAn4QVgqFDjzSteh3WNUmOJ/kUqNXiBWiO5ifZLEsb2pgM8vCwFGzDzoTWv BMZz42sbf9zM3g8DEtEDuFKsaErcfEmk0i+1i7mI+hA25acmSMdDLrFKuSIqDpHG+4Zg 12nxo3VVPxenULhWHpwu5FE25z6i+0imSqIc1OiyF6SkAPlPZ/G8NDHUofohzhrK2eML wZrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705964409; x=1706569209; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=EmxOltGyF2msLAFbLUw0AMxRJcpOKHCXvyuQ3mp+BD8=; b=cUvP8VqH7IUITVHAiGEES35Axmx8v88jMOkNtCRkYo3TXvQ2lJMKvbx4ntqRgu/2z2 iaY+vpU7ajlqXc8ll1/oy/ueHBp3wVFPe5UKs4bzUFxW4Cu5EH6wUPIE4oE53hriItSO MVidxzGfRgUeYrqNjcTu8f/AJlcAmzk/x7pjIN/ssFb3NvzHL1oRPqwGf4Fg8T3JA++6 aZa2AwcuexBPWioW3oTKX6K9CDony7/mcWR+N5dsIMt/mf9jpLfZdwKfpLDUvRUmfjC6 fBY0uVaYyi0kgrK5bTi5e2AES7axvnqcEUat+WorG9eQr+A7LVv95iuYh8DJGLXbqRBi VZTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YylkbSgRuaHCRV2gqAHTZBcaIrRAi/9yofKSHrPKOthgTSoHj8n iJxePtweNEyT1M3nUxjwPppmZ5ByvW34ZR6nj1fGGrPbBeR2frf9pyulAtWHLQ9qsZJSaZkx7Iy l3czyC+x5MNCO5bAjh48PrAx2X3WS9G3t X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEMBcMbz8NS06f1DKdrpA6yM1Wyqhr6BoHutzGlrR10dAWgJIhZnfJKf1qonw/nkJ725qI45GEY5Mogz0v5zvQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:312a:b0:510:518:a4b4 with SMTP id p10-20020a056512312a00b005100518a4b4mr310389lfd.3.1705964408886; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 15:00:08 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202401211928.40LJSWnE095287@critter.freebsd.dk> <66cfaeff-2054-4160-9634-914af127496f@antonovs.family> In-Reply-To: <66cfaeff-2054-4160-9634-914af127496f@antonovs.family> From: Rob Wing Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 14:01:35 -0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The Problem Of Governance (or lack thereof) To: Ihor Antonov Cc: freebsd-hackers , core@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000975baf060f90caf4" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TJlzt6cNJz4bn1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000975baf060f90caf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM Ihor Antonov = wrote: > > I find it very confusing. A former core team member and a prominent > member of the community openly denies the > documented purpose of the elected team. The core itself remains silent. > Who to believe? > sounds like the website could be updated to reflect phk's description. any other confusions? --000000000000975baf060f90caf4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 1:00=E2=80=AF= PM Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> wrote:

I find it very confusing. A former core team member and a prominent
member of the community openly denies the
documented purpose of the elected team. The core itself remains silent. Who to believe?

sounds like the website= could be updated to reflect phk's description.

any other confusions?
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