From nobody Thu Feb 01 13:15:41 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TQfY6535Pz58d8t for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TQfY64XnSz4Xnm; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1706793354; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=euKF0uWT2D7N7ARxWpW6C5foMytt+cfkDSL22VCrJww=; b=FEWrw+MR4QX82+X5Ku29h1YQGAQSaPYbUJe4l+eQ6cM5BrYiCvKwDv50PUb+sh15qdl7vI IrJNO/kI0ZLFw9HKl/lwJUjfZu8EYNFiczZtzTmWFVHLlnDezoWhK0K7UsPUPPYsLBGwcv tKU4x2UNlA3r/QdTUDHzV9cRr7g2a5DyThDxeuERmvYD2WqkItFscI+KjDQdFTM/OSVT0E end2rxy2Fxrs1v4FnXsOejBMQ4/8yIVko7nmTdCjOEdBy2sXHnW70bzq1RmGFcK6J7FM8u JLSgJcTgDdWYyM8U6pv5txwcG0CMmmOq4SpJoYPfbTjs/YgjUXd/FRxxEb0xSg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1706793354; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=euKF0uWT2D7N7ARxWpW6C5foMytt+cfkDSL22VCrJww=; b=LX0y8w8zAqdSGsR2WPTTp9dZ2TKl9YiP9AHiiN0HQrbK+CBftZfQhGAgteIbfV3wjwH8j/ mx+W+FQYv6SBW1GfWEXaxp0kjnUrb7zLpNbSx8FdQQN0N80iodahzx7RwPU2x0/6+HTHcg P5LEnOQEpoB2Pff0MJo3Na2a+20y9lsPQRYL9QBDS204VntX2H4VYGdpfDG4q/AdCKtW7G OFQsblA5O/LpCR79MHP7VTrYW3uG4F5a1QQcLVYt4GUScZm/30jM0bRq5+0eRNEpV/qkx6 g9pDVUkTbfFF42RE165+NGmJL086EFMUt+YV0AZB2QT1gW+4N2Deh8rfVEEumw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1706793354; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Leq+r6z+al6pbW/Xp5GOHyyA0qdNenlk79wJyOsOfkBy8pU/Yum0O7Yqhegw/yXoZfEqK/ cYuKwcoO7SkF2yEyUNVLgZodJClyR8gQN5HvjIbqh/YJkGmf3gYTsLtDnbEFEa2Php7QKY ynKMelkOj001mhZ0+p9sT4Uaqa1sf4AxGGAKO2OguUGDNBpX30+gF1XMIYfHwSm5fqdaFh /f/bxCM8HGS2q9AAzeoKHbcNwKfek56zTbcjWWAb3DRwVhc/6judBum4dUJeCbbP45x+U/ 52DYRBwoc7A/L9q5s81l45YKYpz7GmXNm9/lco3QdrEWmJiw5oCwcb5CkoEPQw== Received: from smtp.theravensnest.org (smtp.theravensnest.org [45.77.103.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: theraven) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TQfY63RJ8z1Lfd; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (host109-153-95-118.range109-153.btcentralplus.com [109.153.95.118]) by smtp.theravensnest.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32B11101E9; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:15:53 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system) From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <67aa7fc0-914a-3e9e-8e7d-89e3b16ab713@puchar.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:15:41 +0000 Cc: "lain." , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6EF19C86-6FEF-4BC5-93A2-1A6584408C64@FreeBSD.org> References: <567c6bf7-1ccf-dde6-3792-ed4419fce3c8@puchar.net> <67aa7fc0-914a-3e9e-8e7d-89e3b16ab713@puchar.net> To: Wojciech Puchar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.200.91.1.1) On 1 Feb 2024, at 13:04, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > my talking is useless I completely agree. When your talking is entirely personal attacks and = vague claims with no evidence or data to support them, it is entirely = useless. If you wish to engage with the topic politely, on the basis of the = technical merits of the topics under discussion, then your contributions = could be valuable. If you=E2=80=99re just going to complain that any = use of post-1980 tooling is a plot by corporations to enable incompetent = programmers to contribute to FreeBSD then you would help everyone by = just reading the thread and not posting. I=E2=80=99ve not quoted the rest of your post because that kind of = message has absolutely no place in this project. David