From nobody Thu Sep 07 02:28:06 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Rh37n6jfgz4sfJS for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 02:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-f45.google.com (mail-ua1-f45.google.com [209.85.222.45]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Rh37m26MSz3bVp for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 02:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of asomers@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=asomers@gmail.com; dmarc=none Received: by mail-ua1-f45.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-79a2216a2d1so163018241.2 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 19:28:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1694053698; x=1694658498; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xRKKjxx4CbBi5E1zlpKL13gmAF2Ls5SkRPHWwbFlugI=; b=IVDE0Po38fd0H1NsCyQB/cJo3yNDkum8GuGdCLpDrVWmhl2z/bLpUab9VZ/S95wPIK T0JkArp7c7VgIBn0PWzgeSxtlGUwBwuRpDgn8YuUR5kIg3aTlyyIoJn9yur23iayy9Xw Y5oy1cXpJzvHu2ihC99Ng1bXnGu7IAJnPCcKcZ+pnrt5geFSMdXuYvMlvzllfd5ZQVlt de2kcPdAQtLAcoZnk+g8oVxFLBWpQnYM+jIucfYPIe3xUGi+AjK/ge9q5c7s1rdwigie vDNZ0SHvmYLvRXKe4Nw66CF0GUL3O6Yg70Ibp+znb3Sygbmp1K6B6WOa8C+dXKNySdlS Nsjg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YykpcwusgGMtxUoIGMiIv+/oSsoyEVB3xzkRkPeRdcV5de7A0IA 9+oOcwnJdSWWbUTbj6RdEoQMGmyMEm+gaK47AKXb1k4ID/M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGI8qc1yxaT0Y8xPyklrBnY2OzFMLtAdq3f9W5htmFSJsCW5oqhmk3CLHYADTUyx1TboBQPPVk4AqnjjjwjrSw= X-Received: by 2002:a67:fc15:0:b0:44e:c2d6:cbcd with SMTP id o21-20020a67fc15000000b0044ec2d6cbcdmr4540211vsq.6.1694053698347; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 19:28:18 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan Somers Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:28:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Will we ever raise _POSIX_VERSION ? To: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.96 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.962]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.222.45:from]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[209.85.222.45:server fail]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[asomers]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.222.45:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Rh37m26MSz3bVp I notice that _POSIX_VERSION is still set to 200112L. That's a shame, because it prevents zstd from using utimensat and tzdata from using strftime_l, even though we implement both of those functions. And who knows what programs in ports are keying off of it. What would be required for us to confidently raise it to 200809L or later? -Alan