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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ec8876b7f5fd917163c4fa7207e818f5; Wed, 01 Nov 2023 13:02:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Trying initial boot of FreeBSD (main so: 15) of Ryzen 9 7950X3D on an ASUS Prime X670-P WIFI: various dmesg -a lines; more Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:02:14 -0700 References: <2B4E6F77-ABE8-49D8-AEF1-81D6E1A4D4E7@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Hackers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <426737EC-237D-4F1C-ABD8-043FEE70FF9C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.200.91.1.1) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.146:from]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.146:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SL6cC1XTxz4Ll7 X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Nov 1, 2023, at 05:43, Mark Millard wrote: > On Nov 1, 2023, at 05:39, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Oct 31, 2023, at 23:00, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> FreeBSD context: >>>=20 >>> # uname -apKU >>> FreeBSD amd64-ZFS 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #126 = main-n266130-d521abdff236-dirty: Tue Oct 24 18:17:40 PDT 2023 = root@amd64-ZFS:/usr/obj/BUILDs/main-amd64-nodbg-clang/usr/main-src/amd64.a= md64/sys/GENERIC-NODBG amd64 amd64 1500002 1500002 >>>=20 >>> I moved my FreeBDSS boot media from a ThreadRipper 1950X to a Ryzen = 9 7950X3D and tried >>> booting. It booted but some of the following might be of some note. = Is any of it likely >>> to be problematical? Any of it of particular interest to anyone? >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> Firmware Error (ACPI): Could not resolve symbol = [\134_SB.PCI0.GPP7.UP00.DP40.UP00.DP68], AE_NOT_FOUND = (20221020/dswload2-315) >>> ACPI Error: AE_NOT_FOUND, During name lookup/catalog = (20221020/psobject-372) >>> . . . >>> pci0: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) >>> . . . >>> pci8: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) >>> . . . >>> pci9: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) >>> . . . >>> pci15: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) >>> . . . >>> ns8250: UART FCR is broken >>> ns8250: UART FCR is broken >>> . . . >>> intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 >>> intsmb0: Could not allocate I/O space >>> device_attach: intsmb0 attach returned 6 >>> intsmb0: port 0xff00-0xff0f at device = 20.0 on pci0 >>> intsmb0: Could not allocate I/O space >>> device_attach: intsmb0 attach returned 6 >>> . . . >>> intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 >>> intsmb0: Could not allocate I/O space >>> device_attach: intsmb0 attach returned 6 >>> intsmb0: port 0xff00-0xff0f at device = 20.0 on pci0 >>> intsmb0: Could not allocate I/O space >>> device_attach: intsmb0 attach returned 6 >>> acpi_wmi0: on acpi0 >>> acpi_wmi0: cannot find EC device >>> acpi_wmi0: Embedded MOF found >>> ACPI: \134AWW0.WQMO: 1 arguments were passed to a non-method ACPI = object (Buffer) (20221020/nsarguments-361) >>> acpi_wmi1: on acpi0 >>> acpi_wmi1: cannot find EC device >>> acpi_wmi1: Embedded MOF found >>> ACPI: \134ABAW.WQMO: 1 arguments were passed to a non-method ACPI = object (Buffer) (20221020/nsarguments-361) >>> acpi_wmi2: on acpi0 >>> acpi_wmi2: cannot find EC device >>> acpi_wmi2: Embedded MOF found >>> ACPI: \134RMTW.WQMO: 1 arguments were passed to a non-method ACPI = object (Buffer) (20221020/nsarguments-361) >>> acpi_wmi3: on acpi0 >>> acpi_wmi3: cannot find EC device >>> acpi_wmi3: Embedded MOF found >>> ACPI: \134AOD.WQBA: 1 arguments were passed to a non-method ACPI = object (Buffer) (20221020/nsarguments-361) >>> driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) >>> . . . >>> acpi_wmi4: on acpi0 >>> acpi_wmi4: cannot find EC device >>> acpi_wmi4: Embedded MOF found >>> ACPI: \134_SB.ATKD.WQMO: 1 arguments were passed to a non-method = ACPI object (Buffer) (20221020/nsarguments-361) >>> driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) >>> . . . >>> mixer: speaker: no such device >>> mixer: speaker: no such device >>> mixer: line: no such device >>> mixer: line: no such device >>> mixer: mic: no such device >>> mixer: mic: no such device >>> mixer: mic: no such device >>> mixer: mix: no such device >>> mixer: mix: no such device >>> mixer: rec: no such device >>> mixer: rec: no such device >>> mixer: igain: no such device >>> mixer: igain: no such device >>> mixer: ogain: no such device >>> mixer: ogain: no such device >>> mixer: rec: no such device >>> mixer: rec: no such device >>> mixer: igain: no such device >>> mixer: igain: no such device >>> mixer: ogain: no such device >>> mixer: ogain: no such device >>> mixer: monitor: no such device >>> mixer: monitor: no such device >>> mixer: monitor: no such device >>> . . . >>> uhid2 on uhub0 >>> uhid2: on usbus1 >>> devmatch: devinfo_init: Invalid argument >>> uhid3 on uhub4 >>> uhid3: on usbus0 >>> . . .=20 >>> uhid4 on uhub4 >>> uhid4: on usbus0 >>> devmatch: devinfo_init: Invalid argument >>> uhid6 on uhub4 >>> uhid6: on usbus0 >>> . . . >>> pci0:8:0:0: no VPD ident found >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> I used a USB3 Ethernet dongle in order to have Ethernet available. >>>=20 >>> For reference: >>>=20 >>> # pciconf -lvV | less >>> . . . >>> none0@pci0:0:0:2: class=3D0x080600 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 = vendor=3D0x1022 device=3D0x14d9 subvendor=3D0x1043 subdevice=3D0x8877 >>> vendor =3D 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >>> class =3D base peripheral >>> subclass =3D IOMMU >>> . . . >>> none1@pci0:0:20:0: class=3D0x0c0500 rev=3D0x71 hdr=3D0x00 = vendor=3D0x1022 device=3D0x790b subvendor=3D0x1043 subdevice=3D0x8877 >>> vendor =3D 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >>> device =3D 'FCH SMBus Controller' >>> class =3D serial bus >>> subclass =3D SMBus >>> . . . >>> none2@pci0:8:0:0: class=3D0x020000 rev=3D0x05 hdr=3D0x00 = vendor=3D0x10ec device=3D0x8125 subvendor=3D0x1043 subdevice=3D0x87d7 >>> vendor =3D 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' >>> device =3D 'RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller' >>> class =3D network >>> subclass =3D ethernet >>> none3@pci0:9:0:0: class=3D0x028000 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 = vendor=3D0x10ec device=3D0xb852 subvendor=3D0x1a3b subdevice=3D0x5471 >>> vendor =3D 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' >>> class =3D network >>> . . . >>> none4@pci0:15:0:2: class=3D0x108000 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 = vendor=3D0x1022 device=3D0x1649 subvendor=3D0x1043 subdevice=3D0x8877 >>> vendor =3D 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >>> device =3D 'VanGogh PSP/CCP' >>> class =3D encrypt/decrypt >>> . . . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Example temperatures (while idle, ambient around 20 DegC): >>>=20 >>> # kldload amdtemp >>> # sysctl dev.amdtemp >>> dev.amdtemp.0.ccd1: 33.0C >>> dev.amdtemp.0.ccd0: 34.6C >>> dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0: 39.6C >>> dev.amdtemp.0.sensor_offset: 0 >>> dev.amdtemp.0.%parent: hostb0 >>> dev.amdtemp.0.%pnpinfo: dev.amdtemp.0.%location: = dev.amdtemp.0.%driver: amdtemp >>> dev.amdtemp.0.%desc: AMD CPU On-Die Thermal Sensors >>> dev.amdtemp.%parent:=20 >>>=20 >>> Example during llvm build activity during buildworld: >>>=20 >>> # sysctl dev.amdtemp >>> dev.amdtemp.0.ccd1: 60.5C >>> dev.amdtemp.0.ccd0: 67.2C >>> dev.amdtemp.0.core0.sensor0: 77.1C >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> (Of course, the cooling system in place contributes greatly.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Example from scratch builds (of my usual style of personal builds): >>>=20 >>> ThreadRipper 1950X: World built in 1345 seconds, ncpu: 32, make -j32 >>> Ryzen 9 7950X3D: World built in 545 seconds, ncpu: 32, make -j32 >>>=20 >>> ThreadRipper 1950X: Kernel(s) GENERIC-NODBG built in 123 seconds, = ncpu: 32, make -j32 >>> Ryzen 9 7950X3D: Kernel(s) GENERIC-NODBG built in 51 seconds, = ncpu: 32, make -j32 >>>=20 >>> Note: It is the same media in use: PCIe Optane moved from the 1950X >>> to the 7950X3D, ZFS (for bectl use, not other reasons ZFS is = commonly >>> used for). >>>=20 >>> ThreadRipper 1950X: 128 GiBytes of RAM. Swap parition was 480 = GiBytes at the time. >>> Ryzen 9 7950X3D: 96 GiBytes of RAM. Swap parition changed to 364 = GiBytes. >>>=20 >>> (That avoids the swapon warning about possibly being out of tune vs. = the amount of >>> RAM.) >>=20 >>=20 >> An ongoing poudriere bulk -a test looks to have a stuck objdump ( = used for building >> www/node18 ): >>=20 >> # ps -oetime -alxdww | grep node18 >> 05:48:03 0 44960 53404 21 68 0 18544 2892 select I 0 = 0:00.03 | | |-- sh: poudriere[main-amd64-bulk_a-default][15]: = build_pkg (node18-18.18.2) (sh) >> 05:47:36 0 76480 44960 21 68 0 18544 2892 wait I 0 = 0:00.00 | | | `-- sh: poudriere[main-amd64-bulk_a-default][15]: = build_pkg (node18-18.18.2) (sh) >> 05:47:36 0 76485 76480 19 68 0 12896 276 wait IJ 0 = 0:00.01 | | | `-- /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/www/node18 build >> 05:47:36 0 77304 76485 22 68 0 13356 288 wait IJ 0 = 0:00.00 | | | `-- /bin/sh -e -c (cd = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/node-v18.18.2; if ! /usr/bin/env = CC.host=3D" cc" CFLAGS.host=3D"-O2 -pipe -g -fstack-protector-strong = -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing " CXX.host=3D" c++" = CXXFLAGS.host=3D"-O2 -pipe -g -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -isystem /usr/local/include " = LDFLAGS.host=3D" -fstack-protector-strong " LINK.host=3D"c++" = OPENSSLBASE=3D/usr OPENSSLDIR=3D/etc/ssl OPENSSLINC=3D/usr/include = OPENSSLLIB=3D/usr/lib XDG_DATA_HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work = XDG_CONFIG_HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work = XDG_CACHE_HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/.cache = HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work TMPDIR=3D"/tmp" = PATH=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/.bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/b= in:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/root/bin = PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/.pkgconfig:/usr/loc= al/libdata/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig:/usr/libdata/pkgconfig = DONTSTRIP=3Dyes DONTSTRIP=3Dyes MK_DEBUG_FILES=3Dno MK_KERNEL_SYMBOLS=3Dno= SHELL=3D/bin/sh NO_LINT=3DYES PREFIX=3D/usr/local LOCALBASE=3D/usr/local= CC=3D"cc" CFLAGS=3D"-O2 -pipe -g -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing " CPP=3D"cpp" = CPPFLAGS=3D"-isystem /usr/local/include" LDFLAGS=3D" = -fstack-protector-strong " LIBS=3D"-L/usr/local/lib" CXX=3D"c++" = CXXFLAGS=3D"-O2 -pipe -g -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -isystem /usr/local/include " = MANPREFIX=3D"/usr/local" BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM=3D"install -m 555" = BSD_INSTALL_LIB=3D"install -m 0644" BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT=3D"install -m = 555" BSD_INSTALL_DATA=3D"install -m 0644" BSD_INSTALL_MAN=3D"install = -m 444" gmake -f Makefile -j32 all; then if [ -n "Try to set = MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes and rebuild before reporting the failure to the = maintainer." ] ; then echo "=3D=3D=3D> Compilation failed = unexpectedly."; (echo "Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes and rebuild = before reporting the failure to the maintainer.") | /usr/bin/fmt 75 79 ; = fi; false; fi) >> 05:33:34 0 7035 80309 9 26 0 22620 1312 piperd SJ 0 = 32:56.31 | | | `-- /usr/local/bin/python3.9 = tools/genv8constants.py = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/node-v18.18.2/out/Release/obj/gen/v8con= stants.h = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/node-v18.18.2/out/Release/obj.target/to= ols/v8_gypfiles/libv8_base_without_compiler.a >> 05:33:32 0 8045 7035 9 94 0 4443576 15732 - RJ 0 = 39:43.22 | | | `-- objdump -z -D = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node18/work/node-v18.18.2/out/Release/obj.target/to= ols/v8_gypfiles/libv8_base_without_compiler.a >> 00:00 0 98535 2129 23 20 0 12784 1836 piperd S+ 2 = 0:00.00 | `-- grep node18 >>=20 >> For reference: >>=20 >> # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-commit.sh -C /usr/ports/ >> 6ec8e3450b29 (HEAD -> main, freebsd/main, freebsd/HEAD) devel/sdts++: = Mark DEPRECATED >> Author: Muhammad Moinur Rahman >> Commit: Muhammad Moinur Rahman >> CommitDate: 2023-10-21 19:01:38 +0000 >> branch: main >> merge-base: 6ec8e3450b29462a590d09fb0b07ed214d456bd5 >> merge-base: CommitDate: 2023-10-21 19:01:38 +0000 >> n637598 (--first-parent --count for merge-base) >>=20 >=20 > Looks like www/node16 has the same sort of issue as www/node18 : >=20 > # ps -oetime -alxdww | grep node16 > 02:24:49 0 58471 53404 30 68 0 18544 2884 select I 0 = 0:00.03 | | |-- sh: poudriere[main-amd64-bulk_a-default][17]: = build_pkg (node16-16.20.1_1) (sh) > 02:15:35 0 1626 58471 18 68 0 18544 2884 wait I 0 = 0:00.00 | | | `-- sh: poudriere[main-amd64-bulk_a-default][17]: = build_pkg (node16-16.20.1_1) (sh) > 02:15:35 0 1655 1626 21 68 0 12896 276 wait IJ 0 = 0:00.02 | | | `-- /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/www/node16 build > 02:15:34 0 2154 1655 11 68 0 13356 280 wait IJ 0 = 0:00.00 | | | `-- /bin/sh -e -c (cd = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/node-v16.20.1; if ! /usr/bin/env = OPENSSLBASE=3D/usr OPENSSLDIR=3D/etc/ssl OPENSSLINC=3D/usr/include = OPENSSLLIB=3D/usr/lib XDG_DATA_HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work = XDG_CONFIG_HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work = XDG_CACHE_HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/.cache = HOME=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work TMPDIR=3D"/tmp" = PATH=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/.bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/b= in:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/root/bin = PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/.pkgconfig:/usr/loc= al/libdata/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig:/usr/libdata/pkgconfig = DONTSTRIP=3Dyes DONTSTRIP=3Dyes MK_DEBUG_FILES=3Dno MK_KERNEL_SYMBOLS=3Dno= SHELL=3D/bin/sh NO_LINT=3DYES PREFIX=3D/usr/local LOCALBASE=3D/usr/local= CC=3D"cc" CFLAGS=3D"-O2 -pipe -g -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing " CPP=3D"cpp" = CPPFLAGS=3D"-isystem /usr/local/include" LDFLAGS=3D" = -fstack-protector-strong " LIBS=3D"-L/usr/local/lib" CXX=3D"c++" = CXXFLAGS=3D"-O2 -pipe -g -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing = -Wno-error=3Denum-constexpr-conversion -isystem /usr/local/include " = MANPREFIX=3D"/usr/local" BSD_INSTALL_PROGRAM=3D"install -m 555" = BSD_INSTALL_LIB=3D"install -m 0644" BSD_INSTALL_SCRIPT=3D"install -m = 555" BSD_INSTALL_DATA=3D"install -m 0644" BSD_INSTALL_MAN=3D"install = -m 444" gmake -f Makefile -j32 CC.host=3D" cc" CFLAGS.host=3D"-O2 -pipe = -g -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing " CXX.host=3D" c++" CXXFLAGS.host=3D"-O2 -pipe -g = -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-error=3Denum-constexpr-conversion -isystem = /usr/local/include " LINK.host=3Dc++ LDFLAGS.host=3D" = -fstack-protector-strong " all; then if [ -n "Try to set = MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes and rebuild before reporting the failure to the = maintainer." ] ; then echo "=3D=3D=3D> Compilation failed = unexpectedly."; (echo "Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes and rebuild = before reporting the failure to the maintaine > 01:55:30 0 84603 3452 15 47 0 22620 1312 - RJ 0 = 14:00.49 | | | `-- /usr/local/bin/python3.9 = tools/genv8constants.py = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/node-v16.20.1/out/Release/obj/gen/v8con= stants.h = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/node-v16.20.1/out/Release/obj.target/to= ols/v8_gypfiles/libv8_base_without_compiler.a > 01:55:27 0 86093 84603 15 101 0 3754296 32540 - RJ 0 = 16:59.56 | | | `-- objdump -z -D = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/node16/work/node-v16.20.1/out/Release/obj.target/to= ols/v8_gypfiles/libv8_base_without_compiler.a > 00:00 0 84657 2129 29 20 0 12784 1812 piperd S+ 2 = 0:00.00 | `-- grep node16 >=20 For reference (node16's objdump then node18's): # truss -p 86093 write(1," 2ff853: 74 61 "...,74) =3D 74 (0x4a) write(1," 2ff855: 45 4e "...,50) =3D 50 (0x32) write(1," 2ff857: 53 "...,51) =3D 51 (0x33) write(1," 2ff858: 30 5f 36 "...,61) =3D 61 (0x3d) write(1," 2ff85b: 48 61 "...,50) =3D 50 (0x32) write(1," 2ff85d: 6e "...,58) =3D 58 (0x3a) write(1," 2ff85e: 64 6c "...,61) =3D 61 (0x3d) write(1," 2ff860: 65 49 4e "...,50) =3D 50 (0x32) write(1," 2ff863: 53 "...,51) =3D 51 (0x33) write(1," 2ff864: 30 5f 39 "...,61) =3D 61 (0x3d) write(1," 2ff867: 42 79 74 "...,75) =3D 75 (0x4b) write(1," 2ff86a: 65 41 72 72 "...,74) =3D 74 (0x4a) . . . # truss -p 8045 write(1," 16f4ca: 01 00 "...,58) =3D 58 (0x3a) write(1," 16f4cc: 00 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4ce: 00 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4d0: ed "...,54) =3D 54 (0x36) write(1," 16f4d1: ae "...,62) =3D 62 (0x3e) write(1," 16f4d2: 0b 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4d4: 00 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4d6: 00 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4d8: 0a 00 "...,56) =3D 56 (0x38) write(1," 16f4da: 00 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4dc: 09 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4de: 00 00 "...,57) =3D 57 (0x39) write(1," 16f4e0: d7 "...,46) =3D 46 (0x2e) write(1," 16f4e1: a8 03 "...,56) =3D 56 (0x38) . . . =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com