From nobody Sat May 13 12:18:48 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QJPnq1h5lz4BK2G for ; Sat, 13 May 2023 12:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QJPnn4SZyz3wys for ; Sat, 13 May 2023 12:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20221208 header.b="JZt9RiD/"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marietto2008@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marietto2008@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-ba716790926so2348019276.2 for ; Sat, 13 May 2023 05:19:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1683980364; x=1686572364; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mMe5yOCFxQPAXg0VSQ1t0YhOGjHVdkrF/4Xx3a+zbVs=; b=JZt9RiD/fwaXWC26RqsKYSVwzOCC0D8w2LRjpIpfg22vUAUkZ1YiUj/RHZrMiC2uME /gsMf60cey+ofrzeT/OXDtogtMqHqJn3hpvuAbqwxHpbZE7B5iJDOWkDq+HJ7ccVH79H soIzPqTjdsXX5ZTQrps0xi5QToPMsbGCBm4wFIdSeA/miPWxuvG2VWES1byNEUMqGEYw DU154POK2voo3+B3qCKaH5Bv/yC6CNMPjGNN67D1HciVvXjThBkjv7MgGOfZ3IyGXEwa nDv6Tzxza4G/T3PrbYyG87x+4IzFxUJee6jkL2boO/XxyvzaOU93TkFlz6x6L3CfxCEG QjGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683980364; x=1686572364; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=mMe5yOCFxQPAXg0VSQ1t0YhOGjHVdkrF/4Xx3a+zbVs=; b=QIqI12cF7muGnJfuQLH8i42hOcfnScn+fHq4N6rLkzvJ7G+9DJ3AAli5ngVsGmWSFd s0lr2eZTbTBBtXQxeBXO3ZOYuhlci1Nv66pJ3rZYUwCOCaK8YOmXDwp5oN4z4t2Ig5Uq oiFDRIWRE4+rna46duSklukt3/p6KU6E/RPl0ZxdcIVC4MGkh/BorxnbvMTaBnRus50c U7906XAM7YXsxBjpR3v2Dszj6RJZQxWE4xm2P9uYQOYbrAqFYyxWcvrllVDvr8Wl/TgX 6lXp4QBHsBrMFHF1XDLG69mr3h2WY93BihW3tE/q7BC9V22DKkFoqx5sZanpnQvaw8nj CAVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxCvm94O4OAR6B7uPDTGVGE+dgc/T1KAnNQuQA1RYDx9QPQEyGn PtfiOPMN/O+7joruT+f6v7jKN8CUtFSZMmmF/vQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4CZdlY1CKml4976nGkAk4LAIM53j0X2naCh4jyNhW7aiY98/iY4KYoINTVMyKfKAw4NpaeNu2TpeU2pHqSpSA= X-Received: by 2002:a25:aa45:0:b0:ba7:4415:47a6 with SMTP id s63-20020a25aa45000000b00ba7441547a6mr1915615ybi.62.1683980364209; Sat, 13 May 2023 05:19:24 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mario Marietto Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 14:18:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd on an ebook ereader ? To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006ae2ca05fb923b3d" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.71)[-0.714]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QJPnn4SZyz3wys X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000006ae2ca05fb923b3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still have the old "Samsung / Google Nexus 10" tablet. I don't like Android. Any help to install FreeBSD instead of Android on this device is appreciated. Thanks. On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:30=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wro= te: > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:47=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto wrote: > > Hello Tomek. > > ---> In a perfect world we could focus on RISC-V based devices. > > I don't know any RISC-V based devices. Please give me some examples. > > RISC-V is the future of computing hardware Open-Source CPU > specification that gets more and more traction around the world > starting from tiny MCU like ESP32-C3 or ESP32-C6 (WiFi and BLE > capable), along with dedicated IC for mass storage controllers (used > by WD and Seagate for instance), along with OS capable running devices > (more powerful than rPI), ending up at highly experimental designs > that you can run yourself on FPGA and will serve to design 1000 core > CPU, neural networks accelerators, building satellites and space ship > onboard systems, 128-bit+ architectures, etc etc. > > RISC-V as Open-Source design has no boundaries, no limitations, is no > subject to politics and no single group of influence/interest. Due to > lack of restrictive licensing resulting MCU/CPU chip is a lot cheaper > and thus accessible (i.e. ESP32-C3 RISC-V BLE and WiFi MCU cost around > $0.6/piece compared to $3/piece ARM Cortex-M0+ with BLE and no WiFi > and a magnitude smaller memory). > > We may not fix the past but we can prepare for the future :-) > > https://riscv.org/about/ > > https://riscv.org/exchanges/boards/ > > https://riscv.org/risc-v-developer-boards/ > > https://www.sifive.com/boards > > https://www.starfivetech.com/en/site/boards > > https://pine64.com/product/star64-model-a-8gb-single-board-computer/ > > > https://riscv.org/news/2022/09/nasa-selects-sifive-and-makes-risc-v-the-g= o-to-ecosystem-for-future-space-missions-sifive-business-wire/ > > > https://riscv.org/news/2020/12/et-soc-1-chip-with-more-than-1000-risc-v-c= ores-aimed-at-accelerating-machine-learning-abhishek-jadhav-hackster-io/ > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/sifives-brand-new-p550-is-one-of-= the-worlds-fastest-risc-v-cpus/ > > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/searchresult.jsp?newsearch=3Dtrue&quer= yText=3Drisc-v > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > --=20 Mario. --0000000000006ae2ca05fb923b3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I still have the old "Samsung / Google Nexus 10"= tablet. I don't like=20 Android. Any help to install FreeBSD instead of Android on this device is appreciated. Thanks.

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:30=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO &= lt;tomek@cedro.info> wrote:
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On Thu, May 11, 2023= at 8:47=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto wrote:
> Hello Tomek.
> ---> In a perfect world we could focus on RISC-V based devices.
> I don't know any RISC-V based devices. Please give me some example= s.

RISC-V is the future of computing hardware Open-Source CPU
specification that gets more and more traction around the world
starting from tiny MCU like ESP32-C3 or ESP32-C6 (WiFi and BLE
capable), along with dedicated IC for mass storage controllers (used
by WD and Seagate for instance), along with OS capable running devices
(more powerful than rPI), ending up at highly experimental designs
that you can run yourself on FPGA and will serve to design 1000 core
CPU, neural networks accelerators, building satellites and space ship
onboard systems, 128-bit+ architectures, etc etc.

RISC-V as Open-Source design has no boundaries, no limitations, is no
subject to politics and no single group of influence/interest. Due to
lack of restrictive licensing resulting MCU/CPU chip is a lot cheaper
and thus accessible (i.e. ESP32-C3 RISC-V BLE and WiFi MCU cost around
$0.6/piece compared to $3/piece ARM Cortex-M0+ with BLE and no WiFi
and a magnitude smaller memory).

We may not fix the past but we can prepare for the future :-)

h= ttps://riscv.org/about/

https://riscv.org/exchanges/boards/

https://riscv.org/risc-v-developer-boards/

https://www.sifive.com/boards

https://www.starfivetech.com/en/site/boards

https://pine64.com/product/star6= 4-model-a-8gb-single-board-computer/

https://riscv.org/news/2022/09/nasa-sele= cts-sifive-and-makes-risc-v-the-go-to-ecosystem-for-future-space-missions-s= ifive-business-wire/

https://riscv.org/news/2020/12= /et-soc-1-chip-with-more-than-1000-risc-v-cores-aimed-at-accelerating-machi= ne-learning-abhishek-jadhav-hackster-io/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/sifives-brand-new-p550-is-one-o= f-the-worlds-fastest-risc-v-cpus/

https://i= eeexplore.ieee.org/search/searchresult.jsp?newsearch=3Dtrue&queryText= =3Drisc-v

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CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info


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Mario.
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