From nobody Thu May 11 19:39:16 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QHMfL4Qbrz49w3k for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from developer@lorenzosalvadore.it) Received: from mail-40136.proton.ch (mail-40136.proton.ch [185.70.40.136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QHMfL1vlJz3lQ7 for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from developer@lorenzosalvadore.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 19:39:16 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lorenzosalvadore.it; s=protonmail2; t=1683833958; x=1684093158; bh=Cc3Bw0up/ZdMuyjj2JnyCx9LjbE+olQAW/ZaKAQxdJU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=qh/Y7v+tvtl/siRx6GDC71CDZGWBQoHbkSPmIulZNaA8JuAMZcVgdfffCIIy00zU0 J4DEvl+2Hg3xTOOpqQheBhsMpt5YuuWIlmBf4ao3sDvD4Ng8xD04JuhV+pz2dh1x37 jtK4407foVBMWSb6iqzIkgCdq/mA2m7HcPbTLVmDL6vgw2cmZYighwrUYhlLVpmQxq d3wEO6UM0aX9d/6YeJQlVBjWRz/F3aSpheTpUfoPCCuMdFeh34xHKrxjLZk4FBVERa d74iYPYVkGxA+qUU6flMW8N/zqybCl/kBsIaGDI4Q4yJoqYOo8kjIzb53It+3mRXUq kPKbI+6+h7D1g== To: Mario Marietto From: Lorenzo Salvadore Cc: Tomek CEDRO , Warner Losh , freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: freebsd on an ebook ereader ? Message-ID: <2di-5CLwOl4O8QoL8_3DedJ_XaQVG2u_-w_9f8grWleHQP3QDXtes8Sk5fOhWwVU4e3HgvbwbixEiatP-6_4HZ7ZQQFAMbzjeKZSviEGEpg=@lorenzosalvadore.it> In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: 53711648:user:proton List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QHMfL1vlJz3lQ7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, May 11th, 2023 at 8:46 PM, Mario Marietto wrote: > How do you plan to come back with the money needed to adapt FreeBSD to ma= ke it work on an old phone if the FreeBSD code is based on a license that's= even more open than the GPL ? Where will you get the money to develop it ? Actually, many companies love the BSD license. The fact that it is more ope= n than the GPL allow them to keep their sources closed. See this article for more information on the topic: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/bsdl-gpl/ I have also translated it in Italian some years ago (the translation could likely be improved, but it is better than nothing): https://docs.freebsd.org/it/articles/bsdl-gpl/ Many companies use FreeBSD, see: https://freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd-project/what-is-freebsd/ They also often contribute to FreeBSD, either by sponsoring developers and projects, by upstreaming their own patches, or by donating: https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2023-01-2023-03/#_freebsd_foundation And please remember that many developers and contributors to FreeBSD are just volunteers and do not need any money to make things happen. I am a volunteer for example, I do not get any money, I am here only for the fun and for the opportunity to learn things and share my work. So money is not necessarly needed to have FreeBSD running on a phone: someone (maybe you?) might do it just for the fun and share it. This is one of great things of open source. > ---> People are interested only in things that work out of the box. >=20 >=20 > it's not totally true. During the years Linux became more and more popula= r even if,at the beginning,it didn't work out of the box. It only means tha= t it needs more time to be accessible,due to the fact that it is technicall= y more advanced than Windows. Today Linux is not ready for the mobile marke= t,yet. But it will be. This is happening. If I remember correctly, Android is Linux based. I would not define Linux "not ready for the mobile market". I understand that you do not like Android (I do not either, although I have to use it... I wonder however why you do not like Android but you use a gmail address). You might like other things such as the PinePhone (again, Linux based) or GrapheneOS (according to https://grapheneos.org/faq#upstream it contributed to Linux and OpenBSD). If what you want is a to have a shell on your phone, there is the Termux app (open source). Not sure if those help you with the project you have in mind however. Cheers, Lorenzo Salvadore