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[209.85.128.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p185-20020a0dffc2000000b0055ddea0db57sm3656964ywf.146.2023.05.11.07.54.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 May 2023 07:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-55a00da4e53so155837757b3.0 for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 07:54:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d955:0:b0:55a:ad0a:766 with SMTP id b82-20020a0dd955000000b0055aad0a0766mr21720457ywe.10.1683816850800; Thu, 11 May 2023 07:54:10 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 16:53:59 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd on an ebook ereader ? To: Warner Losh Cc: Mario Marietto , freebsd-hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QHFKJ3TcGz4VlB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 4:35=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:26 AM Mario Marietto wrote: >> I'm not aware of anyone running non-Linux on semi-modern hardware : >> thats the challenge. To find the right device to experiment with. Im not= talking about some soc,but about a finished and already working tablet or = phone. > > So what's the easiest one to run linux on that's not x86? Download SD card image, put that image on a card, insert card to a hardware, have it running.. and that is for many many various kind of devices most likely each requiring a dedicated set of drivers ;-) The problem we face right now on FreeBSD it lags behind Linux on a new hardware (most likely multimedia capable embedded systems). In a perfect world we could focus on RISC-V based devices and provide out of the box running solutions that would attract people to FreeBSD and maybe help in development. People could see the advantages of BSD and consider investing their time and effort in development of a long term maintainable solution instead quick-win-and-chase-the-rabbit-forever. Problem here is that most people think that Open-Source is Linux, but its the opposite, Linux is a part of big Open-Source world. Vendors provide drivers only for Linux, sometimes in a binary blob fashion. Developing drivers takes time and skill.. also requires good documentation that sometimes its not even available. People are interested only in things that work out of the box. --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info