From nobody Fri Feb 17 15:43:39 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PJGLJ3TCFz3qYkw for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.antonovs.family", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PJGLH5Pz9z3LQm; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=antonovs.family header.s=20200215 header.b=gTdHYvDK; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=20200215; t=1676648589; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=uKc8SdEdKKAGuZiyG3F+ZHAGGSXkvOZEjEo2eX6vWTw=; b=gTdHYvDKH3H+H3jfwm9k/bNU5VpCscUAXUbVq47Y8QnYxkS5kdGhmEjIFn88Kn+5oSLIH5 Kvofx1jBpK90e8Z/a6H54U9hh7/JhiW5VbYtKLnmDUMcrRTb4M+BnskSrHHjp4nsvbKNYP 6Ch4OqPSe5D0IYO2bb5BU5f0kvGfEOo= Received: by mail.antonovs.family (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c5b5edf8 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:43:39 -0800 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.1 Subject: working groups reanimation Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-hackers Cc: David Chisnall , Warner Losh References: <2f3dcda0-5135-290a-2dff-683b2e9fe271@FreeBSD.org> From: User Ngor In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[antonovs.family:s=20200215]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PJGLH5Pz9z3LQm X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N forking the thread for working groups convo On 2/12/23 13:57, Warner Losh wrote: > David, > > Thanks for replying. I do appreciate the offer to help work out a > proposal for submodules. That would be quite useful. Technology has > improved in the almost 5 years now since we looked at submodules for > the first time.  Many of your criticisms have some merit. > > There's not currently a formal working group. I walked away from it > because there weren't enough people at the time that wanted to do work > and some rather unfortunate comments from some other people (so bad I > contemplated leaving the project)... Now that I've mostly recovered > from that experience, I've started a more modest pull-request > experiment... Moving to submodules is a big project, bigger than I can > take on leading at the moment. > I will be more than happy to help restart working groups and play a role of a meeting organizer / stenographer and contribute my expertise where I can. First thing we need is a place where a list of working groups can be discovered (how and when to join) and where announcements can be shared. A dedicated mailing list would be great, but I am also open to other ideas (use -hackers maybe fine too?). Currently the only place I know of is [1] meetings repo on github with notes (and it is not complete, bhyve group for example is missing) [1] https://github.com/freebsd/meetings -- Ihor Antonov