From nobody Mon Feb 13 10:53:40 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PFh5y2NZNz3q1Mb for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PFh5y1sfFz3lXq; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1676285622; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=xNch1CG9bE92y/+Xdx325exyPLOMdPTnG4EsVrIV0hI=; b=fGM8NXP8gbF26n+ebzWPNUHlBBQZYXsAWx4FqxHv6Fe9NXP9CyksmpNjO6ZRTyw3C+mULV E+hQiznpizWxmhma+lUEChMAWTDpHGDQ2LeJuRhpwrmPFVWZBK4dc471r6P99yVCtAYl2q x3towQ/LE7nMGBUZOX117K1grsNAcgl0u7Vtp2zgqn6DpzXaoK3lX9VVFf1Ic2cbgtyVZR zKf+r2S+7Enh6tdjBuXSvgsfoBESNeNPfb7DSEBzD9aP6oMLVfFEe5vT4GU1FheLNmMI8H WlnwA0hsY0qmG/S+7QlxauRn8SA6eZF+E1GYDWOG1SsxFwlv3ZvvdazPVtmr1g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1676285622; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=xNch1CG9bE92y/+Xdx325exyPLOMdPTnG4EsVrIV0hI=; b=aSwSwtWAY1riWihsN9M3kBUZD5wAsnZdga+ZEKJyRYKD11KuC5QMsmPzRh+DJOTziVuZwt lQ2qHyLT/xFKuQVZ4GiiGtsFnFdAZh1SXCtO0knQR4zQlOwiwbHmBRnQs/c85iLvrqnAq7 fkheVPF1N+W1cx/XkoHa+B4076G3Y+vILXku427hbCrw3kJTJuya0XNwcncRZ/XbUUB4Tw ENdS7KvZh9doDN9ZkPSFcAqUVBk+Rn7yRNKd62YB2dp0BYdAse1T6B4xgDGGhfKJ68BCeR T7DacCDhiM+tac62CHF+GynCIk4rb0mLxdjHhOLn0Kgy9NT2DuWvKcdZabgYpw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1676285622; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FJ5/AfnIcM60w+SrELwG5VvzaSyYLaHp8uR1rTk0Yd+S1gZ+yTnfI523X7bPpJUeicJEJC HUKMovlMVeQwROAu7JWwyiZimQet1KOJHCwHy+n03St1/eS9gC86pE/OAuYWz0V3Yr84Zo ZRWL7Bbnc1R6LkMPFt/j/0U4uFV86C+ZzVdcqyUOLluHqUzdsTGXYmGoS5SYz6Op8LuIWn +h1xG847eMJz9+m/FnNcst55Ge1p6cxlEi4scRAX0b9+G+pSSCqQEQbKelLCt7lqm6Qm9q HgJsmys8TS7N83/UxWjyL77EWxKnFJ9r83KVE9GvtGqgkQ5czYM7PYQZdJHkwA== Received: from smtp.theravensnest.org (smtp.theravensnest.org [45.77.103.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: theraven) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4PFh5y0p55z1814; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.164.186.150] (unknown [167.220.197.150]) by smtp.theravensnest.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C5511060D; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:53:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <9f3273aa-b140-10e7-017a-983b8d2ff51a@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:53:40 +0000 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.2 Subject: Re: CFT: snmalloc as libc malloc Content-Language: en-GB To: Warner Losh Cc: Mateusz Guzik , freebsd-hackers References: <2f3dcda0-5135-290a-2dff-683b2e9fe271@FreeBSD.org> From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi Waner, I'm sorry about your experience - I've had similar experiences that have caused me to take year-long breaks from the project and I'm sorry if I contributed to that for you. And I definitely deserved at least some of the snarkiness - my comments were unhelpful. Please let me know if there's something I can do to help with the PR work. We have some infrastructure for using GitHub Actions to drive our Morello (CHERI + FreeBSD) cluster and we'd happily accept (or, time permitting, make) changes that would make it more generally useful. David On 12/02/2023 21:57, Warner Losh wrote: > David, > > Thanks for replying. I do appreciate the offer to help work out a > proposal for submodules. That would be quite useful. Technology has > improved in the almost 5 years now since we looked at submodules for the > first time.  Many of your criticisms have some merit. > > There's not currently a formal working group. I walked away from it > because there weren't enough people at the time that wanted to do work > and some rather unfortunate comments from some other people (so bad I > contemplated leaving the project)... Now that I've mostly recovered from > that experience, I've started a more modest pull-request experiment... > Moving to submodules is a big project, bigger than I can take on leading > at the moment. > > And about my snarkiness... This is still a very sore spot with me, and > so I responded to you with more snarkiness than you deserved. I'd like > to apologise for that. I'm sorry. > > I'd love to have your input on this, but first we'd need to find someone > to project manage things... > > Warner