From nobody Tue Nov 30 19:17:20 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C3D18C9348 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 19:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f42.google.com (mail-io1-f42.google.com [209.85.166.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J3X6l4GcXz4SGv for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 19:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-f42.google.com with SMTP id k21so27590325ioh.4 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 11:17:51 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3yVH9IxOsSYOe8Jf3vrO95iFEjGLD4dEs7G41j+jm+Q=; b=4R9J+nEEPjSO3k1zj0XH7QV5Lery1oEL435Fml/lpqAYEDBCbYX3zbREcHxTx8CZl6 mKgWuv1p+lpbZuYauH+dm1QXzePkwjQkSe+nbPmwOLY+jEbcD4MeZQ7zgBrkzvC0JqTP +iCKmbmoJsnT4GfKBeEabpLK+bbtvWr00MFVWgtzxQimfmp7g/SDAIp9WVHwk+5xv/I8 pRTpG5ObtcDG+SjYRqJ5Gm8G60MS+DKnrUKwBz9ADXyIHf3247bpgYP10QHJu/97LlXf yz1EtlV0y8ayDV5RdOhqlMnnAYe2Bj3jVnrk6NBBvQZL/sWMTAdyNjJS+9tZcZ7BcpGU ToPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5320gqb7je4iMRkhTDXfp0lJOUBjXapZWZA536cLS2orypNqcy6E SsAVydhpI5oUQOLJvjzS37LtLRCzFgzVvoEgCoVyncXq X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwnJLNw6sbJ7pTREyMBkcdO4qGqaDl+PL95Stv4vNrXyJcQbkKrOv/pdJA0IrcUA4oQe4dCfAxb+yRkv4CuycY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:3182:: with SMTP id z2mr1966066jak.134.1638299864715; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 11:17:44 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <20211128220732.GA81140@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20211129003635.GA81568@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20211129043612.GA82224@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas To: Steve Kargl Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J3X6l4GcXz4SGv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.88 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[carpeddiem]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.881]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.166.42:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.166.42:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 11:29, Ed Maste wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 at 23:36, Steve Kargl > wrote: > > > > And therein lies the rub. Cirrus-CI skirts the issue with the > > slowing down of builds, so developers don't see the problem. > > This isn't the case. Developers are well aware that buildworld takes > longer than desirable, but it's reasonable on contemporary hardware. > Cirrus-CI and Jenkins are adjunct to the development process, they > don't replace local buildworlds. To add a little data here, the default Cirrus-CI build (using the llvm13 package, and not building a target toolchain) took, in a recent run of mine: 42:32 total 21:30 buildworld + kernel (the non-build time is spent provisioning the VM, `git clone`, packaging world, and running a test in QEMU) A run that included two Clang builds (bootstrap and target compilers) took: 1:46:49 total 1:23:47 buildworld + kernel