From nobody Tue Nov 30 17:55:40 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A3F18C1809 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 17:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sblachmann@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J3VHy1McPz3HQC for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 17:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sblachmann@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id i63so42703184lji.3 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 09:55:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kTzHAm6S3bB8jlYuJEGuJIpXjNWzxvYX1NHnOAwkFbQ=; b=PV9a+tgj15+/UIkeAeCLHRQZg1zOG/gChoVPK+GB1ZkgsNoy4eZ1jW6Z+KzAfKp9iS 1p0fusZOAFDZAKeMaaDGXVrWK14MlqC1WkneWFH+Gz4VzbNPVskWXDnI8f+fwaX70Rkq eC4oaYrPcASo965jKkBHOyLnrrUybe+JZYQ7gtjwNFRbUz/oCUCrLJpzw4W1ceYGoaP0 ANTKTBt2ceCpqUKOf6VZM64K8kJTuvGAHUMhTbceWe5/D3OCsIDgm8vRe4ke8Jyop4ww iW8xovmINPV2w9BptFp6RBWW5PkdECqSB4ummsSxIcZ0Fm9bLjLTojl/hY1pCNfbIGJ7 juZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kTzHAm6S3bB8jlYuJEGuJIpXjNWzxvYX1NHnOAwkFbQ=; b=yGFqWDugIb+hPjHACqRBNic5zxpP9CMkzRH2S6kKknwN3ACxAqD6zwFy+cP9qtnv0I +5YnqLjiklH1jbWhUq4Nmfk+aXeRb8tjK84N1xAGsA/UtCE1Cja3qcWoAVnd8LwjtSYg 8nBQpss/XnlXC9ieCT7BM8pez0b9mCn8/oNsDah++C8ir8dlb0O7JFq569mQmIxbejhW scAFFQ0qeL0ImvPf0VriGAsqi1B/Hbz8C7XIcbL6abd+ytWk1qyzH3FtSsWRJANyTAqv WWwEwgMa9ZW3hacK/MYw0ypeczK88KAJi7IZ6ujgAURIPN5rpxAQOGr4XqblqeQO0otk 3IfA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531sB/CGJWPu6z3nvRbwNdOSWXtHs4ZR3ucYFE3yfIaUCuGfB/c3 SqiYHOiVcpBJS+Jei9ATXB2bBf6b/cvcuGuusnsMNnRh X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJylqlrbXUY40aKXxIiz8iqAAoNbsa/4KoNrW5b5KfedFy0ZVHpA6LtQGrIZXvM9OS9DkqCnyik9UDWIY7vBdc4= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a7cb:: with SMTP id x11mr458090ljp.308.1638294941047; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 09:55:41 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1242:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 09:55:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <23c3e735-22b5-7528-e311-d75657c33a69@gmail.com> References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <371b758c-1efa-b5df-6437-ce4f06369383@gmail.com> <23c3e735-22b5-7528-e311-d75657c33a69@gmail.com> From: Stefan Blachmann Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 18:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas To: Jason Bacon Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J3VHy1McPz3HQC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 11/30/21, Stefan Esser wrote: > ULE does not care for the "niceness" of a process and lets nice -19 > processes run with hardly any reduction of the share of CPU cycles > granted compared to competing nice 0 processes, for example. I can confirm this... always believed it's just me. I'd like very much if renicing would have more, actually usable, effect. On 11/30/21, Jason Bacon wrote: > If your nVidia cards are basically landfill, like some of mine, and you > don't care about 3D support, xf86-video-nv still works in some case that > would otherwise call for v304. I wonder if it would be a simple matter > to add support to it for some additional older hardware supported by > v340. Yes, I know nv is deprecated, but this may be the only solution > for ancient hardware. Actually xf86-video-nv overlaps into the range of what is supported by nvidia-driver-304. Practically all nvidia proprietary drivers overlap in their range of supported cards with the "adjacent" versions. So it is common, for example, to see the newer ones of the cards that are supported by 390 are still supported by, for example, 470, while the older ones still supported by 390 are supported by 340, too, but not by 4xx. The bad thing now is that with nvidia having already dropped 304 and 340 support, the next xorg ABI change will render the "middle field" (eg not yet historic, but not yet very new either) of nvidia cards useless on FreeBSD if there is no nouveau port. On 11/30/21, Floyd, Paul wrote: > However I'm not sure that porting nouveau will help. My experience on > Fedora is that nouveau simply never works. Never used Fedora. Maybe it's because Fedora is very close to commercial RHEL which might be not really targeted at desktop? Personally, I never have tried Fedora, but used several other distros. Nouveau always worked fine for me. So no idea what's the cause the difficulties you are experiencing on Fedora. On practically every Linux distro Nouveau is the quasi standard driver for any type of Nvidia cards, as the proprietary Nvidia drivers are non-free category. So I think one can consider Nouveau as very well-tested and reliable and that porting it to FreeBSD would be worthwhile, profiting many users who would else either have to buy a new graphics card or migrate to Linux.