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[192.94.31.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e3sm16437066wrp.8.2021.11.30.03.45.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Nov 2021 03:45:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <754be46a-a5c7-86b5-e6f6-354d007160ff@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 12:45:41 +0100 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.2 Subject: Re: llvm/clang upstream To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <43a13a6b-baee-e8cb-3624-ee98da510ad0@gmail.com> <2cd0ba0002db6d25c41a8dc8f2a856b372370605.camel@moritz.systems> From: "Floyd, Paul" In-Reply-To: <2cd0ba0002db6d25c41a8dc8f2a856b372370605.camel@moritz.systems> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J3L542h6Wz4Zsj X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=RHa6PJA0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paulf2718@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::331 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=paulf2718@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::331:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.50)[0.501]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2021-11-30 12:37, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 2021-11-30 at 12:08 +0100, Floyd, Paul wrote: >> Not sure where the best place is to ask this. >> >> Any ideas why llvm seems so incredibly slow in taking FreeBSD patches? >> >> It would be nice to be able to just 'git clone && cmake && make' >> (roughly speaking). > In my opinion, LLVM is an overgrown project whose organization structure > didn't follow. I don't know about FreeBSD patches specifically > but in general the hardest part is finding someone to approve your > patch. Many patches rot without a single reply from anyone, and I think > the whole process discourages people from trying. That makes some sense.  The main backers (Apple and Google) have their own agendas, and are mainly interested in macOS/iOS and Android. I have seen some effort to free up llvm recently though, they are migrating their bug database from bugzilla to github. When that's done I'll try to see if I can find any FreeBSD patch requests, and see if poking them makes anything move. A+ Paul