From nobody Fri Nov 26 18:38:15 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D483518A7ED8 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x92e.google.com (mail-ua1-x92e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J13R64kktz3rRj for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x92e.google.com with SMTP id j14so20237618uan.10 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 10:38:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZZ4e94ip7HzL8GQGnb4XyF61dO/sgzawA+VNiK9T1/4=; b=Xsxy6nuolzfKEyChSyatx6bx4IkUt2Knme55Ko63E5U46ZrCn9vuidSpgd2+rGlNXo gFh1eW/7Kg8wCaMO621TDg2zAs//p6zuyYo8j4xrbXlnyMW6nCInbLEj7ob7H8fIskyt 3dB2L7HqRVIsgOi4wnfMxlYXf/xLE24IEznMBuOOpX2GmudFzzdV9u53ThKnCO1LrhdS C3GYlKUb9msiuQ1U6+QLUfK4c1J/MZrR9m8U6iDQjsjJ+uB6WnmXu3N9dd7FAav/4FCz ZgKkqpMPi4xmac9RP+GAUglSuW7l82J8wpyfvwzmsiWC+jJp63H6cm119H81CW8AMx72 6AfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZZ4e94ip7HzL8GQGnb4XyF61dO/sgzawA+VNiK9T1/4=; b=ksX9LHH6izUNjXqSfu5+m6h58VnuLe8Z4wHz9KX3jwoP5NFAu7xVNlXA6bAOt3rAS/ rgZdQuWpPv/WDAgMsQX9K1FeklogDb0lKV2EedFe352t7512u8r33yBE5rELw4bytCbP QiGQMvrSaaVTY9q1RIkQDuT7nIV6iGQuK8ZImxR5yAUEIOACqRa8WFDcqULAlqNRpPWp /OT2ttDomQoHeTqOeqbAxP0wf4T/CF9RdlhnAO0HxVzuwH8iXt2znM78Qr77vpobJacg Wx8gDHIrjnPoLCQOZUtOTFCsK6DhMfzFnwkzJ/r015iaYQsPFAIxlL7avkp6A7aiSjX3 PZQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5327ylQpeQVK4llHuhh7xsVc5B8OxEVoijdzof9MtOTLrp/tkTmq dvrX4p+dkyUnGz0RRH6+BNa4dKqefHaWK/DZRVs4iierjb5kQg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxPXo9VmlTJbtJDtlWvrfoDbgPe2/fP2+ThZC2Wy8nMijPshmg3hSk/ypYyIQofDCIH2rK/enHA2Nn6xg+aUNA= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ec8f:: with SMTP id h15mr19088925vsp.42.1637951906232; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 10:38:26 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202111261817.1AQIH8TS025744@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <202111261817.1AQIH8TS025744@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 11:38:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Retiring WITHOUT_CXX To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000087d1e205d1b565a6" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J13R64kktz3rRj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: Y --00000000000087d1e205d1b565a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 11:17 AM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > Already implemented, works, just got fixed, why are we even having > the discussion? > Asked and answered: we have too many options, and this one broke and nobody noticed for a while. Does it make sense to continue to even having it, risking that it will break again in the future as it's proven to be a bit fragile over the years. Warner --00000000000087d1e205d1b565a6--