From nobody Fri Nov 26 15:59:49 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0614818BAC90 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 16:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J0zwN55T7z3jry for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 16:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221] (may be forged)) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 1AQG01vH051394 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 16:00:01 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: manu@bidouilliste.com Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 1AQG00iO068832 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 23:00:00 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Reasons for keeping sc(4) and libvgl ? To: Emmanuel Vadot , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20211126160454.3eb827365a02103169ab9adc@bidouilliste.com> From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <5b9baa6a-66ee-549d-a3e9-f6ea4e6e5016@grosbein.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:59:49 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20211126160454.3eb827365a02103169ab9adc@bidouilliste.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT No description available. * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J0zwN55T7z3jry X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N 26.11.2021 22:04, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > For libvgl it probably made sense back in the 90s but does it now ?? I enjoyed games/digger-vgl for a while in VGA console :-) > Based on my small list I don't see any good reason to keep sc(4) but > maybe I've missed something bigger so please let me know. > > P.S.: I'm really not interested by people saying stuff like > "I've always used sc(4), it works for me don't touch it" > without some technical argument. sc(4) is still better quality for BIOS-based systems or EFI-based with CSM legacy mode working. sc(4) is better to such an extent FreeBSD's unusable with vt(4) for some fresh systems being sold but boots and works fine with sc(4). An example with many people complaining: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230172 I'd like more FreeBSD developers respect POLA these days and take responds like "I've always used sc(4), it works for me don't touch it" seriously. Please, don't touch what works and works good.