From nobody Thu Nov 25 21:51:53 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0218318A1916 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J0WnC5Gt0z4mmN; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 21:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221] (may be forged)) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 1APLq3H0047146 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 25 Nov 2021 21:52:04 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: imp@bsdimp.com Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 1APLq2fa059460 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 04:52:02 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Retiring WITHOUT_CXX To: Warner Losh , Ed Maste References: Cc: FreeBSD Hackers From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <13a7b078-9e53-6bc2-a94e-b366ac1413dd@grosbein.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 04:51:53 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT No description available. * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J0WnC5Gt0z4mmN X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N 26.11.2021 4:45, Warner Losh wrote: >> Several base system components are written in C++, and the WITHOUT_CXX >> option is not regularly tested and is often broken. I fixed a number >> of WITHOUT_CXX issues in response to Michael Dexter's recent Build >> Option Survey runs, but it will break again absent ongoing effort. >> This does not seem like a useful endeavour given the limitations it >> imposes on the resulting system. >> >> I'm proposing we remove the WITHOUT_CXX option and have opened a >> review to do so: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D33108 > > > We've grown enough C++ support this is likely sane. How embedded-friendly is this? I mean a difference in required space for self-contained small file system. Comparing with 8.x/9.x, minimal FreeBSD image become pretty big.