From nobody Wed Dec 29 19:23:04 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2EB191601C for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x130.google.com (mail-il1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JPLsc5l0nz4xCK; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x130.google.com with SMTP id b1so17335140ilj.2; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:23:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rQdBXxXXD8CTcVfsbzk3KhJiA96/a0IqfZzf+Nyi+d4=; b=cIXysxBs7HcUQlxP2d1d6QCsMnx+3UUkRWmnn+h4BZxPvJ1ZymSAqo3llMGb0WZz0r 6C0enrN3H9hQbOU3Eri4gOCFqHxTYPLtAIe++qeUj+D6y4VYlt/btFcEf3gKPwGE/Dse q2XArywvM5SI9NOeDI3iIIPifAT1g8R0oD+KAfLTpx9gQbfu/XW4wQBgOpRzPQN0qINs foJj1tiz5nsvp/MNXHdZjWntWdk7NYmsw5EjXMF2epzjDZz1uL3f8L5OZCm+42Zkm6f6 6m5YY+3Iv4u6o/px+RgeleT5YiteeA+CyQjKk3THwMTmK6S+bGVpUdtnXX7+iOuSCVlg utkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rQdBXxXXD8CTcVfsbzk3KhJiA96/a0IqfZzf+Nyi+d4=; b=vqWn+AxRcoME6golfBAlSIKbxpBbZlHYSn1/z+SQrvlvob7tStWz4arIIVBWKLi5A3 yScymFnr673JVlcCJMZ82IBu1I3Xq8LZSMEIYbFXVEDxkrJlPaJhMmJbmYFYZfX0GGfS B/l53J6gUuUIp/3/KgSPByBx1NePZb8RgfTpyQIsd3jKq72RGb9rLG+NSXjPBKCeSuQz bpeAge0SDjiLeUSsXGwDXkkufFuqoL+Sn7elZNEr3Th2gRdoeb+PeLTy8vtlBa9ueapY p/PYgnmmRdWiuC72ZCLz7Eq7GOY1ChhRNepbZ0kOhlzNbvsHsb/0jWSnWIhm/jfw1PjP cl+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531n/u1RnI7mysmz5olpWHCE+UcJU9DaU4wBzEAE1WtW3rsXmbyU fKNYP1r03xSfz5jAzdmo2PuomQN6WiO7fE6gc45NGgMXRLg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwAS/VWtewcf1O6W4sEdn6mMWJPb5yXdywaYLzw5XMM9rvKpevQjSuWTsAqRR/L/Jxl32o2LKual8hh/LcGCrQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1949:: with SMTP id x9mr13015026ilu.63.1640805795852; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <61100a28-40ae-4458-d7d5-3bc9b13ba219@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 20:23:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas To: Kyle Evans Cc: Karel Gardas , Joseph Mingrone , FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009b757c05d44dde40" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JPLsc5l0nz4xCK X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000009b757c05d44dde40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 20:16 Kyle Evans wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 1:13 PM Michael Schuster > wrote: > > > > Hi Karel, > > > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 19:32 Karel Gardas wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 11/23/21 11:41 PM, Joseph Mingrone wrote: > >> > Hello FreeBSD community, > >> > > >> > The Foundation is seeking suggestions for new projects to support. > What > >> > gaps in the Project are not being addressed by the broader community? > >> > >> sorry for being late with those: > >> > >> 1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make > >> freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot environments > >> and using ZFS snapshots. > > > > > > All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can't give you > dates or specifics (port vs "builtin"), but I've been using them since at > least 13. > > > > Specifically, bectl(8)[0] has been in and mostly usable since 12.0, > bectl behaves slightly differently from beadm, which can be confusing when you're used to beadm. I don't have the specifics handy (although I was part of an email thread about this), but decided to stick with beadm as it suits my needs better. and more recently freebsd-update will use it to create a boot > environment if the system can cope with that (i.e.: `bectl check` is > happy/convinced that it's currently booted into a BE layout that it > recognizes). > > [0] > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bectl&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html > > --0000000000009b757c05d44dde40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 20:16 Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 1:13 PM Michael Schuster
<michaelsprivate@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karel,
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 19:32 Karel Gardas <gardask@gmail.com> = wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/21 11:41 PM, Joseph Mingrone wrote:
>> > Hello FreeBSD community,
>> >
>> > The Foundation is seeking suggestions for new projects to sup= port.=C2=A0 What
>> > gaps in the Project are not being addressed by the broader co= mmunity?
>>
>> sorry for being late with those:
>>
>> 1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make
>> freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot enviro= nments
>> and using ZFS snapshots.
>
>
> All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can't give y= ou dates or specifics (port vs "builtin"), but I've been usin= g them since at least 13.
>

Specifically, bectl(8)[0] has been in and mostly usable since 12.0,

bectl be= haves slightly differently from beadm, which can be confusing when you'= re used to beadm.=C2=A0
I don't have the specifi= cs handy (although I was part of an email thread about this), but decided t= o stick with beadm as it suits my needs better.=C2=A0


and more recently freebsd-update will use it to create a boot
environment if the system can cope with that (i.e.: `bectl check` is
happy/convinced that it's currently booted into a BE layout that it
recognizes).

[0] https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dbectl&apropos=3D0&se= ktion=3D0&manpath=3DFreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=3Ddefault&a= mp;format=3Dhtml

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