From nobody Sun Jun 05 03:46:22 2022 X-Original-To: gnome@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EC01BE8C7F for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 03:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LG2bh1SQLz3rh9 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 03:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B8782999 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 03:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 2553kMHb074309 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 03:46:22 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 2553kMj1074308 for gnome@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 03:46:22 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: gnome@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 262873] Update: The FreeBSD GNOME Project Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2022 03:46:22 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Website X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: jbeich@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-gnome List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1654400784; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=rZlcBfF2CGSISNH/v1mjySEhooxrOzpIUoopXZXpHiE=; b=vJZPRINZvMD3hUWTCvI3c1j6KMUtIlfquNOD8GoLpexKKPPLfUyfIZj5URnD4BcYhVqqYi Jj7+jSUjhUFDBGH3K3ahcwiIMuNA5Cxxqw5mAEdj9QEd+Vc5jQ3DDUYb1Jc6MngqXV5BmP 1apvOiFvtr4uegQv0FUt+WsanxGoG6D7LTsocmSEl90yiVncONF28rro+5mUta3QHvzqmT Zuzzw9Efzb4Ey/orXurB5zrUTUTh8xP+hOxMpbMm1aBaUwFSnmfXgKl8nBmcQ8Sx3ZXWGF 4z+QqSK1BTMxCF3HoOSavYxVukbHAEdsL64Qv2ca1Qeed02xA3D/B/g7DWpknA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1654400784; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=OYr3xNxEEtLxXKFktshcuB0QC5yPPzMhlR/eSQuCU19CHDediNopwAkCmBTUx5DWBwtFS4 GXIjwpgh8NweaD433q+BeyS2Bi4wglzW9QCh40cLb8oj/e3K62bREtXxGZU9BCVRiVZxOi uQ9MMzGZss8y/QO1kBtIbjW7UB0ZGUilDTJwJvZz7gS3B2Kdy4M4p7P7eV8oQnng2eVx2W lXcJlhs4lkfv6gov638AUti7b1aBDBqOObeieZcwkaxnpPYqj/FSNlwNPz8nRNdFTuPs7q ls5mog4rW9RSmxYl4wIXKnKIw/9jgRq3h+fNxPMFEUikdg3w1i60p61iM55zow== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D262873 --- Comment #5 from Jan Beich --- (In reply to Charlie Li from comment #3) > GNOME uses Wayland by default, On FreeBSD GNOME cannot use Wayland at all due to bug 258042 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1800 If one doesn't need GNOME itself then various GNOME applications (e.g., gnome-calendar) work fine under Wayland. Most FreeBSD contributors interested in Wayland focus on wlroots nowadays: - licensed under MIT thus similar to BSD in spirit (important for proprieta= ry vendors or anyone with GNU allergy) - inclusive upstream that tries hard to be portable and doesn't cheat POSIX= via `-D_GNU_SOURCE` or `-D__BSD_VISIBLE` - no single stakeholder: sway, wayfire, gamescope, phoc, kwinft, river, lab= wc, cage, cagebreak, dwl, etc. - flexible architecture, see also https://wayfire.org/2019/02/24/X11-WLC-Libweston-Wlroots.html and https://subdiff.org/blog/2021/wlroots-in-kwinft/ - avoids DE-centric bloat like DBus, see also https://blogs.kde.org/2020/10/11/linux-desktop-shell-ipc-wayland-vs-d-bus-a= nd-lack-agreement-when-use-them - like Xorg you still need a window manager - like Xorg has many protocol extensions (some are shared with KDE and Mir) - like Xorg has simple API (wlr_scene since 0.15.0) - large actively developed ecosystem (e.g., unlike weston, swc) - supports modern features like Variable Refresh Rate, Vulkan renderer, DRM leasing > thus the lack of dependency link is correct. Likely because the Handbook already describes installing Xorg in a separate subchapter, preceeding GNOME. For examples, xorg-minimal is suggested as a smaller alternative. Curiously, kde5 meta-package does pull xorg-server via plasma5-plasma-deskt= op via xf86-input-libinput. (In reply to Graham Perrin from comment #4) > pkg_tree -v gnome | grep wayland- Since bug 227509 binary packages for desktop stuff almost always have wayla= nd as an indirect dependency. Try testing Wayland support from Xorg comfort zo= ne: $ pkg install cage firefox $ : ${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR:=3D$(mktemp -dt .run)} $ cage -d env -u DISPLAY firefox about:support [...] Window Protocol: wayland [...] $ sockstat -u USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS root Xorg 1111 4 stream /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 [...] foo cage 2222 8 stream -> /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 foo cage 2222 25 stream /tmp/.run.XXXX/wayland-0 [...] foo firefox 3333 8 stream -> /tmp/.run.XXXX/wayland-0 [...] --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.=