From nobody Thu May 26 04:03:24 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-erlang@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A411B41946 for ; Thu, 26 May 2022 04:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pat@patmaddox.com) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4L7vS444X5z3m9W for ; Thu, 26 May 2022 04:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pat@patmaddox.com) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B505C0059; Thu, 26 May 2022 00:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 26 May 2022 00:03:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=patmaddox.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:date:from :from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1653537806; x= 1653624206; bh=9Wi+4UluCIInLIzAUp9xyQsbcd+V6qWDWc2itFfXhl0=; b=i GTYuvNklO4Zmf/VC1nbjuDJSMd9UitjMmz6l3q8LrxAwyfdXPyqIE1FQ/Jya012n yrSFxQI1XANRb4ogfBFIxHZVxw2PAlei3hBoQChUJff2fCewGJkLS/0hC4gn3sbo gAxPuZvEAxKPn/NnMbtgwWE/gR2cFK1UY4IpNESIT3tCJs3fGtMyUAzk8fYeWFxa 0MvG9t+QcnTKtY3pBbJGSnpHPO447wU5NfXn5JrEg77qTzoXhF3eq8Mi2lGfj201 niUYUbERFEL2hZBCgKU0nmYW0egPCpH2zDWyeZ8zYlW7tAQPixO07GTg51lNxpeE tpMqTC+CPsKiouoAr9+oQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1653537806; x= 1653624206; bh=9Wi+4UluCIInLIzAUp9xyQsbcd+V6qWDWc2itFfXhl0=; b=M SdftsECcgDkwm3FTAzzo/4L2XaXQrp/EiqmM+8hMEr+HuBm/QhoNxAhuwFDDsSdN a8KaIj9RJGSodu69EQykHW414v93VyZNku6Ed62e+ryWmmJVYWJ9AcbJ53nwMHN1 R4K2h3Xl0lq84hxIdw7j1XuHXfbd4xbG4GL00970vpq3vGjBVFUHwAzHTAto87eK Ys529q8hbJo90jK6VuHULYqLsva19QCMPgdkn2edLxC6Ba8mprMf9fXms8NUXQo/ 4NHzOKhFNdubwRrJE4mM/vIbhtvOQWOH5CycMmCLRSadzMrXrAD3x+wMYdsPTKZk 6ef7cAWzpcKVwBNa+qWig== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrjeeigdejjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvvefufffokfgjfhggtgfgsehtke hmtdertdejnecuhfhrohhmpedfrfgrthcuofgrugguohigfdcuoehprghtsehprghtmhgr ugguohigrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeegheffueefhfdutdektdeuieefie eghfevteehvdejiedvleefvdetueellefgheenucffohhmrghinhepfhhrvggvsghsugdr ohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpe hprghtsehprghtmhgrugguohigrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8b6c40f9:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 26 May 2022 00:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Pat Maddox" To: "Dave Cottlehuber" Cc: erlang Subject: Re: Why the difference between lang/elixir and lang/elixir-devel? (also: elixir-devel doesn't support mix release) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 21:03:24 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <2D5CF793-1DB1-4F46-82EB-FD8108D36DBF@patmaddox.com> In-Reply-To: <4c572e79-2744-412a-94d0-ec0eb48f3144@www.fastmail.com> References: <88FB0E34-FBB2-4257-A1C8-4F24B9BA130F@patmaddox.com> <4c572e79-2744-412a-94d0-ec0eb48f3144@www.fastmail.com> List-Id: Support of Erlang-related ports List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-erlang List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-erlang@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4L7vS444X5z3m9W X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=patmaddox.com header.s=fm3 header.b="i GTYuvN"; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b="M SdftsE"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pat@patmaddox.com designates 66.111.4.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pat@patmaddox.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.77 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.25:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.25]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[patmaddox.com:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.19)[-0.188]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.25:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[patmaddox.com:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[pat]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[patmaddox.com]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-erlang] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 17 May 2022, at 5:52, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2022, at 04:12, Pat Maddox wrote: >> I had been working on a patch to lang/elixir-devel to support mix >> releases, per the problem I shared in >> https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-erlang/2022-May/000629.html >> >> When working on it, I saw that lang/elixir doesn’t have the problem >> - >> it doesn’t patch `elixir` to “hard-wire” the OTP release. So I >> can >> just depend on lang/elixir instead. >> >> I had assumed that lang/elixir-devel just provided a more up-to-date >> version of elixir, to get access to a newer elixir while still using >> quarterly ports. >> >> That appears not to be the case. Two key differences I note are: >> >> 1. lang/elixir depends on lang/erlang, whereas lang/elixir-devel >> depends >> on lang/erlang-runtime* >> 2. lang/elixir builds elixir as-is, whereas lang/elixir-devel patches >> the `elixir` script to “hard-wire” the OTP release. >> >> What is the intent of the lang/elixir-devel port? > > Hi Pat > > TLDR log an issue against lang/elixir-devel for fixing mix release & > tracking this. The OTP21-OTP22 transition was a major breakage point > for OTP stdlib and stuff needed to be hard wired to work reliably. Done! https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264046 > -devel flavoured ports are the leading edge of ports dev. As a ports > committer it allows me to easily switch a subsidiary port (like > net/rabbitmq or phoenix) over for testing, as I choose, & back again. > As a user, it allows me to test my apps against the very latest. Okay that makes sense. I’ve taken a closer look at the two Makefiles and see that they are indeed similar - the key difference being that elixir-devel depends on an erlang runtime rather than lang/erlang, and that it patches the elixir script. I will experiment with removing the post-patch hard-wire from elixir-devel. I believe when I did that, elixir failed to run because there was no erl on the path. lang/erlang puts erl on the path, but erlang-runtime* do not. If I’m remembering correctly. Pat