From nobody Wed Aug 16 07:35:50 2023 X-Original-To: doc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RQg0k3sYtz4qMbr for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RQg0k1fCMz3Y4X for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1692171350; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=OAX3xaC3XE84PDBztXy+j4fsPFbQaCZAwNVTgZmbeVE=; b=PLqcWdNB56lqVE5TetYUgDAU8eKZQsisMgmpr0mWTvrktRgDTwBnwABdhjxhRd2vZ+Xh7W 5AzeZ5ueimCHTHI//nM915nH1K+g/QPhLWkl7rShgRMO0GFDW+0+pGi7l8/lI6zdWgVGlO 0tWGjUNHHDGwHqM1yXA7IY0DJ3kVQmnWgoPKkiwP8Ft5Kx8O5xfix4vu7BSNh+nFA24HTF Lq/wAPXWBc12ggaflzgvd500lbZ1wKFntkjM9si4gRLoCj97Gd146KjLzEjEstI0M6tcpC C2SOf2gUdsqyn9pfFKUgLMFS9/ue/h3QI1PYatIOhqSsp78Sx/ngLjA59QCiJQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1692171350; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Kvk6mu316sRwPIrAp1EFmLbUXEDITWlpcDNrR/tvysC6XMjRM7fzojPM40gcXSUEhueNs7 ixrz1fyNcjNppKn+/95y+QsENybxNVKa4Li22EiWpdafiaXCB4xFdhenuh1gEcDlFm3AeW VtprKnkxtE81SEXITtao4oPRr5LaC9ezQpk+QS1EOBDCaX1DLA0fyJCC/12p4uMRns+4d0 6lCbMy2A6gm960didUwHHsvmJN5fcDEer1E8AW00Na8Qz63oJVa357u/uIr0UsSItmuRzY N512xENYGjD52f6hafXu2ujraweIQGDUPahRMH3Xm13+L/NomDbN+T37I96G4A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RQg0k0csQzk87 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 37G7ZoPL093196 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:35:50 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 37G7Zo2l093195 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:35:50 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 261349] Modernise hier(7) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 07:35:50 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Manual Pages X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: concussious.bugzilla@runbox.com X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: grahamperrin@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Documentation project List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D261349 Alexander Ziaee changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |concussious.bugzilla@runbox | |.com --- Comment #43 from Alexander Ziaee --- I've been working on modernizing hier(7) too. Freebsd teaches you how to use it, you install it and then the first MOTD s= ays to look at hier(7). I use it since a childhood, and I didn't go into an IT career or school. I started reading % man hier. It searches very well, it's= an index to the system. I can use freebsd because of it. Why unlist active parts of the system? My hier.7 is 177 lines longer than 13.2R and I've removed a few things that don't exist anymore and shortened several descriptions, but I did make /usr/local have two paragraphs instead of one. I'm still undecided about tr= ying to fill it more. Is this the correct thread to share a unified diff for feedback to people w= ho are working on maintaining hier.7? Even if it just shows you a direction na= tive users are going with it.=20 At the bottom man hier explains that it's documenting the standard install,= but a well maintained installation has a customized version. Shouldn't that mean it's desirable to describe the base system as completel= y as possible? As briefly for each piece, but as many pieces as we can? I've been filling it in for weeks. The system manual is the least bloated form of documentation available/possible. Coverage isn't adding bloat. The opposite is my humble opinion, if it doesn't have enough accessibility and coverage, then the con= cept of documentation becomes bloated with another layer, the handbook has been moved to ports and requires a pdf or webbrowser. Man is fundamental. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.=