From nobody Sat Apr 15 15:36:14 2023 X-Original-To: doc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzHTp5xS8z45Wwr for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzHTp4wldz46Y4 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1681572974; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=pz14hL61pQ2B/L3GlROld3O/4YjN3mN48nJJH/FTtEU=; b=SY5XBEyiFhRRVaeJ2StwDzU0XdUkeLSNiInCvarPq0e6Irjv8KjKOw1zDSPCuvztDqSLVw 7dNwHpUpFSUIyPYhf0hmDKYec7qKwdBLGKl5ywc5l4S2ye3HoscPCYXbpPcdpARBrPvkFY /pITaSE0Aotibs7Jzb9lTZyL3LaUysiY47jTicWW6q9PTXpjmr2DgZO3ilrmEKdl9b9u7s PeNCO6UlrH1Q4DJYQx8gXZXd/dw1j/hRrYdGQYGUItht/Eb7NnrqunE6tY+yTuTYylcAzr Vjuu34RuQVroKyRpf1ti8gMrJwKnxpEL0yImwVioVZfmSREOd8LJfDkNJ399Mg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1681572974; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=s4QaYh5zD/fo6bu/emMxo3vAAmS8m7xCLWWQgQ1zn/ygtqrkS462ivF2Rxxhn8UymFyHge wQBrT1FksRT7WEKUCujjAbdmkBrkhnDMO9ouGHcw3gkSbeIUofvFJFYoFQqf7fvdr/j4xC noP6m2jORZpOo2SQ1b/tqzC0QNd3oMUELQEsy26esa3TBlS+ZBlLgsFsNaAeeH/RvGTeTo qExWZMkFu+Z55dgy4AKuYqmJSqgWg9DrIcsFtBCUAS2bmKsvNNUO/a16pdy6mqu/lczOD8 /0mJ3MjwHljQXfsQO8AtHXEausTHR5Wi39dcdE3/kDug9sM/+TFxJhbmkhKA6g== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzHTp418Wz19bh for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 33FFaEdq019237 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:36:14 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 33FFaEFu019235 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:36:14 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 270852] Extra characters in config files after upgrade with freebsd-update(8) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:36:14 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: 13.2-RELEASE X-Bugzilla-Keywords: needs-qa X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: bektas@yahoo.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Open X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Documentation project List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D270852 --- Comment #2 from Kenan Bektas --- ... If a person has the expertise to intentionally remove a user that's normall= y a part of FreeBSD, I should expect the person to be prepared for reintroducti= on of the user as part of a normal freebsd-update routine.=20 ... I beg to differ. It is not about user's skills. We are all human beings, in many circumstances even most skillfull ones will certainly act differently. The points are: - If I am the admin, it is my decision to have removed users back or not. N= ot the update script's. I am the one responsible for the system, after all, not update script. Certain things could be automated but this one is not one of= =20 those. - If the system has been running perfectly without those users for years, it clearly proves that the suggested practice not really necessary. In short, we need to trust (admin) users and offer some freedom rather than= the approach of "we designers know everything, hence, just follow the direction= s". PS: Totally agree with documenting these instances in the handbook. Thanks,. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.=