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On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 3:45=E2=80=AFPM Ed Maste wrote: > The FreeBSD Foundation's Laptop Support and Usability Improvements > project is choosing a small list of laptops and of desktop > environments that will be used as targets for our development effort. > This means that contracted developers will be using the laptops and > environments on these lists during their work, and that our testing > will be done against these. > > Inclusion in the target laptop list implies that at least two of these > laptop models are in use by developers working on this project for the > FreeBSD Foundation, and that we have vendor contacts for development > support. > > We are starting the list with the 13" AMD Framework laptop: > > https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/lapt= ops.md > > We've chosen this laptop as the initial target for a few reasons. The > Foundation has a good relationship with folks at Framework, and they > have been contributing bug fixes and improvements to improve FreeBSD. > See https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/freebsd-on-framework for > details. > > The Foundation also has a good working relationship with AMD, in case > we need support during development. Additional laptop models will be > added over time, taking into account vendor support and community > feedback. > > For the desktop environment we'll start with KDE, as it is popular and > has an active development team. > > https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/desk= top-environment.md > . > > We're targeting Wayland as it's important for long-term viability, > although in the short term KDE on X11 is the usable approach. > > Please let me know if you have any feedback on these two topics. > Looks and sounds great! I would like to add these in the supported Candidates section for both Laptops and Desktop Environments: Laptops: - HP EliteBook 800 series Mid last week I got an HP EliteBook 845 G10 (AMD) for USB4 work Desktop Environments: - i3 (i3wm) I've been using it for a bit more than a year now and it works like a charm on FreeBSD --=20 Thanks - Mohammad Noureldin -- "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" - Albert Einstein --00000000000094500b062e58964e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Ed!

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at = 3:45=E2=80=AFPM Ed Maste <emaste@freebsdfoundation.org> wrote:
The FreeBSD Foundation's Laptop Support a= nd Usability Improvements
project is choosing a small list of laptops and of desktop
environments that will be used as targets for our development effort.
This means that contracted developers will be using the laptops and
environments on these lists during their work, and that our testing
will be done against these.

Inclusion in the target laptop list implies that at least two of these
laptop models are in use by developers working on this project for the
FreeBSD Foundation, and that we have vendor contacts for development
support.

We are starting the list with the 13" AMD Framework laptop:
https://github.com/Fr= eeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/laptops.md

We've chosen this laptop as the initial target for a few reasons. The Foundation has a good relationship with folks at Framework, and they
have been contributing bug fixes and improvements to improve FreeBSD.
See https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/fr= eebsd-on-framework for
details.

The Foundation also has a good working relationship with AMD, in case
we need support during development. Additional laptop models will be
added over time, taking into account vendor support and community
feedback.

For the desktop environment we'll start with KDE, as it is popular and<= br> has an active development team.
https://g= ithub.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/desktop-environ= ment.md.

We're targeting Wayland as it's important for long-term viability,<= br> although in the short term KDE on X11 is the usable approach.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on these two topics.

Looks and sounds great!

= I would like to add these in the supported Candidates section for both Lapt= ops and Desktop Environments:

Laptops:
-= HP EliteBook 800 series

Mid last week I got an HP= EliteBook 845 G10 (AMD) for USB4 work

Desktop Env= ironments:
- i3 (i3wm)
=C2=A0
I've = been using it for a bit more than a year now and it works like a charm on F= reeBSD

--
Thanks
- Mohammad Noureldin=
--
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you mus= t keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

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