From nobody Fri Apr 01 08:34:57 2022 X-Original-To: desktop@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB781A3AB7B for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KVD4d44QTz4tfd for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6983B1121C for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 2318Yve8036498 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:34:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 2318Yvf8036497 for desktop@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:34:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: desktop@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 262853] textproc/libxslt and textproc/libxml2: circular dependencies when using CMake Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:34:57 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: regression X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: diizzy@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: desktop@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: maintainer-feedback+ X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Using and improving FreeBSD on the desktop List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-desktop List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1648802097; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=KmHcWqABDA3QkGUpwUUjIrDfcRjKdCJmgOAbY8QtwwA=; b=dg4WvfUBYupSEIG9/xSb45wP5lA/f1Ps+xOEX5WdzJLUSJj4JJWt+fj0DU2xBoL/l8iP/l KozLVhiJ4NkG+wk9nNhYYPAhJku3AeTfugWSVTY8cqqFESwxrmWlvzLn/rYBblnUAm+dAW Ie1gXbxS8Z7ylXFPEe71NWpq0qxMs+rM4GmxdJ2XOA5MvCJjZCbSBGRo0Cj5zxc71M8Geo czpf8owWob0YhyQjLzzIf8/Bf7VXz3OlMCVRsXCdHfyj22I7DXHN581GiRJgFJoXWkvK6/ kymxTejHbjFSuzYQlXFvAqembvSr6zsLIqty015bTj/jNHQdbTgDHMOKK8Z8WA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1648802097; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XmtwQB5OQe7c4N9IB0s4I6pOQaPQQuRsr8GBucxHFOSquIMeaYf0WnbNkbEVzDSek4kNX3 LgL6O4rNgiccpHO5OWb4Xf24nzUb6Z5Iq5SMCfdOe/7T2kv8xmmDFodi94HFxfbHfDszG1 yrVeySw/mFsSVJgUL54kN+M+TrQNAIXD2q09FqVezAta6Mi4NtSsSkpDI7HV9yla1p0xy5 clW7W8VUwKfpHS9FIXZ/ODBGqcQuMcVaFqIR2V3VMRQN4PEt/352TS/divKAJd0nu1QOp2 oBsGSwPuYQ0tU5Z4OWK52rhjWo7mYSayYt8bmKfMjAFYtoslPNkkzNy80/bw0w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D262853 --- Comment #17 from Daniel Engberg --- (In reply to Tijl Coosemans from comment #16) Agreed, it's always tricky and there are a few issues to consider overall. While it might be a combination of interest, time and funds (its been menti= oned that the project pretty much recieves no funding) or something else upstream struggles with Autotools and very few induviduals in general wants to touch= it. As a consequence of this we as well as other distros do various hacks to wo= rk around these issues using packaging frameworks without upstreaming because= no one wants to touch it more or less and simply because they're not upstreama= ble. That leads us down the road of the maintenance, in that regard I think we c= an all agree upon that any form of patching and/or hacking by hand indirectly discourages people to work on X. Simply because it requires additional investment trying to figure what XYZ does and what it tries to fix/fixes. In that regard we do have people, there is general interest in fixing issues a= nd upstream is willing to accept patches (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libxml2/-/issues/360#note_1418502). If I we= re to speculate about upstreams current standpoint I'd guess that they're aware that libxml2 is used on various less common platforms which CMake (in this case) doesn't support and/or dropped support for a long time ago and simply don't want to take that discussion. Since several have contributed and without any vocal objections I'd assume = that they're in agreement rather than disagreement. I fully agree that fallouts never are favourable and should be avoided if possible. That being said, I = also think that it may sometimes be necessary to move forward within reasonable tradeoffs. Regarding dependencies it's always hard to do a good assessment simply beca= use there's no way of telling. I do however think that while we do see projects migrating from Autotools to mainly CMake and Meson it's fair to say that mo= st dependencies are "fortunately" stuck with Autotools due to legacy compatibi= lity and/or to simply avoid circular dependency. In case of a switch I think we'= re more likely to see a switch to Meson rather than CMake to avoid circular dependency and due to the fact that CMake and/or Meson are a lot less painf= ul to use on Windows platforms than Autotools which many dependencies also targets. Best regards, Daniel --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=