From nobody Thu Jul 31 01:57:47 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bssft3zD6z63JFP; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=MUrk=2M=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bssft0J4Wz42YM; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=MUrk=2M=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD0ED788C; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:57:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1753927069; bh=mo+1jCPOOufSZDShDRfcOArmT4gCGXwdDnBiO9FIrOg=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=oZgXAoq9Zg6SoBHwttz/gmZYEoiklFES4iNzru7PVSJqtDQKxT6atHTzpT8qOw7Ds dOvYuwrYQm2tWbyWETrTqP7dSHifUHcmG0IozPV2dtVNbrJYYnaRNjVVaePLUiqbrQ ZUJRTPFhk/oCJviuhv7IuWKQ9FaFeawEQeSLBrUs= Received: from [192.168.145.49] (ip-89-177-27-225.bb.vodafone.cz [89.177.27.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14AABD7888; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:57:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1753927068; bh=mo+1jCPOOufSZDShDRfcOArmT4gCGXwdDnBiO9FIrOg=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=pJMyCgDb1UPaQwNNIbGpTAR52zgdRcOG+K3zop2dbhzc3iEgjro5tbDA66adupJTL fUBEs1kBWdsnXGQ6ybKaFLzw8jt2IF5WHG2620/BCnUltbDGQu9CHUpzxG1jZS6ZTx UHg5Q3F9fUhIbDoJFUx4zkFS82Msau5sfKcb4TOA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:57:47 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: vermaden , Shawn Webb Cc: "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs References: Content-Language: en-US From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bssft0J4Wz42YM X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ] On 30/07/2025 20:30, vermaden wrote: > Hi. > > I have only two proposals that seem sensible. > > (1) > > Keep pkg(8) for third party packages with /etc/pkg and /usr/local/etc/pkg and /var/db/pkg dirs for configuration. > > Use separate pkgbase(8) with /etc/pkgbase and /usr/local/etc/pkgbase and /var/db/pkgbase dirs for managing PKGBASE packages. By pkgbase(8) I have the same pkg(8) project in mind - just renamed as pkgbase(8) and with */pkgbase dirs instead of */pkg. > > (2) > > My other idea is to 'mark' all FreeBSD Base System packages as 'vital' - so they are never removed automatically - but if someone wants to remove them with additional force option - then I assume he knows what he is doing. > > I would prefer (1) over (2) if you ask me. I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update both is really unexpected and unwanted. Kind regards Miroslav Lachman > As for additional groups like base-minimal or base-standard - I do not have anything against such additional features or layers - its not related to the main topic IMHO - that with 'classic' FreeBSD the *pkg delete -af* removes only third party packages and with PKGBASE FreeBSD it removes almost all system rendering it unbootable/unusable. > > Hope that helps. > > Regards, > vermaden