From nobody Thu Dec 04 13:51:08 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dMbWj3YHQz6J4qL for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2025 13:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ross@bisd.ro) Received: from ada.kiz.li (ada.kiz.li [38.45.72.165]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dMbWg6tBNz42Cx for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2025 13:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ross@bisd.ro) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=bisd.ro; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ross@bisd.ro designates 38.45.72.165 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ross@bisd.ro Received: from [192.168.1.225] (syn-072-182-130-191.res.spectrum.com [72.182.130.191]) by ada.kiz.li (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id fda29fb1 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2025 08:51:09 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8WuQFNpJ1DkG7HI0SDv9dTzB" Message-ID: <48dcc1b8-0157-46c2-803c-2b217a56bf7b@bisd.ro> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2025 07:51:08 -0600 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: operation not supported Wayland To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <11071764173299@mail.yandex.ru> <200391764598041@mail.yandex.ru> <3644111764683408@mail.yandex.ru> <207781764767464@mail.yandex.ru> <923f73e9-181e-4afa-9686-364fcab88b34@bisd.ro> Content-Language: en-US From: "S. Ross Gohlke" In-Reply-To: <923f73e9-181e-4afa-9686-364fcab88b34@bisd.ro> X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.39 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.998]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.989]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[bisd.ro,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:174, ipnet:38.45.72.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dMbWg6tBNz42Cx This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8WuQFNpJ1DkG7HI0SDv9dTzB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 12/4/25 07:26, S. Ross Gohlke wrote: > On 12/3/25 07:23, Леонид Гнездилов wrote: >> You won't believe it - I installed 15.0-STABLE and the same thing >> happened again. I'm already starting to think it's the computer >> hardware. Although it worked until 11/24/2025. >> GPU-firmware-intel-kmod-geminilake and i915_kms are used (different >> versions, latest, 61, 515) >> ---------------- >> To: S. Ross Gohlke (ross@bisd.ro ), freebsd-current@freebsd.org >> (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); >> Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; >> 02.12.2025, 17:05, "Leonid Gnezdilov" : >> >> I installed the system again today, on a different disk. And it >> doesn't work! Everything is exactly the same, "operation not >> supported". So it wasn't me who broke the system, but the >> update.Can this already be considered a bug? >> During the installation, I selected the installation from the >> packages (tech preview), maybe this will help in the diagnosis? >> The drm-latest module, I tried drm-515, but it doesn't help. >> ---------------- >> To: S. Ross Gohlke (ross@bisd.ro ), freebsd-current@freebsd.org >> (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); >> Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; >> 12/01/2025, 17:15 p.m., "Leonid Gnezdilov" : >> >> Today I tried to remove most of the packages, but I was >> almost left without pkg)) The result was a system with fewer >> packages than with the new installation. Reinstalled wayland. >> And what do you think? Everything is the same, most >> applications swear on "operation not supported" Installed >> foot and wayfire. By the way, they work. But firefox is not. >> I discovered that applications that do not run use libm.so.5, >> but do not seem to use running applications. No other >> differences are visible yet. I’ll try to compare on github >> foot and alacritty this evening, maybe I’ll find some kind of >> pattern. Tomorrow it’s time to try to reinstall the system)) >> ---------------- >> To whom: freebsd-current@freebsd.org >> (freebsd-current@freebsd.org ); >> Subject: operation not supported by Wayland; >> 27.11.2025, 19:44, "S. Ross Gohlke" : >> >> On 11/26/25 10:11, Leonid Gnezdilov wrote: >> >> Hi! >> FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT, Wayland. After the one of >> upgrade (or after some of my experiments with the >> system), many applications stopped running. Most >> applications. Old, probably XWayland, applications >> work. Telegram-desktop, a rox-terminal, browser was >> able to run - net-surf. >> >> Errors during launch vary, but almost everything is >> united by "operation not supported (os error 45)" >> Well, yes, Wayland compositors start and work without >> problems (hyprland, labwc, hikari), errors occur when >> launching compositors clients - applications. >> >> I am running a Wayland session on FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT >> pkgbase from a couple of weeks ago and have not seen >> these errors. >> >> Wayfire is the compositor, and my regular app rotation -- >> foot, Firefox, Thunderbird -- is as stable as it has >> been. I am not using XWayland. >> >> If there are specific apps you would like me to check let >> me know. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ross >> > % pkg info -x gpu > gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-tigerlake-20230625.1600003 > > % pkg info -x drm | grep kmod > drm-latest-kmod-6.9.1600003 > Also, here is my relevant environment, excluding XDG. SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3 QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=1 GDK_BACKEND=wayland SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=1 MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl CLUTTER_BACKEND=wayland QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct TMPDIR is mounted tmpfs since default /tmp size might be too small for programs like Firefox to do anything useful. --------------8WuQFNpJ1DkG7HI0SDv9dTzB Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 12/4/25 07:26, S. Ross Gohlke wrote:
On 12/3/25 07:23, Леонид Гнездилов wrote:
You won't believe it - I installed 15.0-STABLE and the same thing happened again. I'm already starting to think it's the computer hardware. Although it worked until 11/24/2025.
GPU-firmware-intel-kmod-geminilake and i915_kms are used (different versions, latest, 61, 515)
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Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;
02.12.2025, 17:05, "Leonid Gnezdilov" <comdir@infonix.info >:
I installed the system again today, on a different disk. And it doesn't work! Everything is exactly the same, "operation not supported". So it wasn't me who broke the system, but the update.Can this already be considered a bug?
During the installation, I selected the installation from the packages (tech preview), maybe this will help in the diagnosis? The drm-latest module, I tried drm-515, but it doesn't help.  
 
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Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;
12/01/2025, 17:15 p.m., "Leonid Gnezdilov" <comdir@infonix.info >:
Today I tried to remove most of the packages, but I was almost left without pkg)) The result was a system with fewer packages than with the new installation. Reinstalled wayland. And what do you think? Everything is the same, most applications swear on "operation not supported" Installed foot and wayfire. By the way, they work. But firefox is not. I discovered that applications that do not run use libm.so.5, but do not seem to use running applications. No other differences are visible yet. I’ll try to compare on github foot and alacritty this evening, maybe I’ll find some kind of pattern. Tomorrow it’s time to try to reinstall the system))
 
 
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Subject: operation not supported by Wayland;
27.11.2025, 19:44, "S. Ross Gohlke" <ross@bisd.ro>:

On 11/26/25 10:11, Leonid Gnezdilov wrote:

Hi!
FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT, Wayland. After the one of upgrade (or after some of my experiments with the system), many applications stopped running. Most applications. Old, probably XWayland, applications work. Telegram-desktop, a rox-terminal, browser was able to run - net-surf.

Errors during launch vary, but almost everything is united by "operation not supported (os error 45)"
Well, yes, Wayland compositors start and work without problems (hyprland, labwc, hikari), errors occur when launching compositors clients - applications.

I am running a Wayland session on FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT pkgbase from a couple of weeks ago and have not seen these errors.

Wayfire is the compositor, and my regular app rotation -- foot, Firefox, Thunderbird -- is as stable as it has been. I am not using XWayland.

If there are specific apps you would like me to check let me know.

Regards,

Ross 

% pkg info -x gpu
gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-tigerlake-20230625.1600003

% pkg info -x drm | grep kmod
drm-latest-kmod-6.9.1600003

Also, here is my relevant environment, excluding XDG.

SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3
QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=1
GDK_BACKEND=wayland
SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland
QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=1
MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1
QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl
CLUTTER_BACKEND=wayland
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct

TMPDIR is mounted tmpfs since default /tmp size might be too small for programs like Firefox to do anything useful.

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