From nobody Mon Aug 25 14:15:31 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c9XrX2V8dz65qkw for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2025 14:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c9XrX0ZzNz3PRv; Mon, 25 Aug 2025 14:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1756131340; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=52oyZcvB2OX1BQ2bB4HxA4As9A5lWYpXFf+9sYxkmKw=; b=ObsGutphoSmwkWhqar3GtfdDiYv5eJLrwAU5cuzCYjJSsVQuOR3hwrP60QHJ2tH31oe4xm LXjBc78ezIM3L6t8tfVrMNttHpTfClljTYoK+REZR1QdRXWs4FXdJCDGRrMZnVZ/jO9bR2 4jEZz3sjdL/uYBLKgrdCCHpkUs32iqsmoKRqqeScXhUZOvvtfoSJ1wVpYtS4JbYhUtAqqK VJN1QsOA+Y7RMhoWi0htR+iGyJZuomO9fLK9SIK7OSJ1e4bFpR/PyZmAGVHKmPSgm3JUkX kk/8V9Dy/xORPfHkYzc0TsjDYcibi0D9SLRc403G8zUqaF3G8VZC52xdT+rEHQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1756131340; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=52oyZcvB2OX1BQ2bB4HxA4As9A5lWYpXFf+9sYxkmKw=; b=dNwqxFEdWweYra8DpP9Ql1QaHZeX8xMi55IYsnVxX96ctXCiN+QLIb9HoufngK8CDuEOxo he0UUd43t9woxjp2mJJ+glieQwKZE66sgr9m3dM4J4cfNd7I09rxRu++B6i60xYRZgLJqZ 5ItQRu7WwP2UwEh9EheaCo6fSKlrUjPT6AgYoVKV7mGyQ47GpT4WwPb+0mEJemNMuQa86S wiiktWWAnvEvAW+uTgYkbs++brLKS3pR0IDk9KAkqbL9eegrkvnfl0jx6YwTQXnWYNYurr oBmBmJNlJP6zGw0FYMDlnWPNjDZeoaTbABXoMbk513oYtH7qUrTVse9gVCpw6g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1756131340; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=CmbacML8sQgTCuxr5EV153GtYD19fXBcD7dC+lNzhlV4tnJkxVuayokmMIdLXIHkA4nTyc nfq/eQsFWGXosVCeVVlB6QASb0wpShgHU4YItfuxCOCqlZ7QNH/QXvwDg4umAC5Q2PUzCh n3ugf33AFdAd4zQAG1OhhYdvcoD7oGtNwbtMdSdwRUMjVxev6W4p1H7R1PH5/5jiNxqw0R rlX5sUTZh85paKuKZE2MXK0+uPJGvCuZrXoJt03S0dQNF6sAg8o7wxP1L/0v3wscR0ePEu P0fbV6WNBxvc7IQkTyd1R1LO7UwG/1viFu+YPkn8ChQ5ooauKXlVmyId+8+XaQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from francois.localnet (aclermont-ferrand-653-1-222-123.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.14.66.123]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: olce/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c9XrW0XY4zlN; Mon, 25 Aug 2025 14:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) From: Olivier Certner To: Warner Losh , Kyle Evans Cc: Alexander Leidinger , Marcin Cieslak , Xin LI , Current , Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: UPDATING stuff Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2025 16:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: <2398435.mfXeX5GmMH@francois> Organization: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <2r579os7-29n7-890r-9210-s3s1n4r0s4qo@fncre.vasb> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3036800.slGk94SIus"; micalg="pgp-sha384"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --nextPart3036800.slGk94SIus Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Olivier Certner To: Warner Losh , Kyle Evans Subject: Re: UPDATING stuff Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2025 16:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: <2398435.mfXeX5GmMH@francois> Organization: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi, I'll second both Warner and Kyle. 1. Unconditionally add COMPAT_FREEBSDx to GENERIC when creating branch stable/(x+1). Avoids trouble with a base upgrade in place without upgrading other programs. 2. On -CURRENT, compat' breakage can and will happen. Documenting it should not be mandatory (best effort basis). People just need to add COMPAT_FREEBSDx as they see fit (if not upgrading anything). This should save us a non-negligible amount of time in doing support. Thanks and regards. -- Olivier Certner --nextPart3036800.slGk94SIus Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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