From nobody Sat Aug 09 06:46:10 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bzWdh2FbQz63YQx for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 06:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bzWdh1Gk2z3qnP; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 06:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754721992; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=H5eXU/Op5bnLhBlBS2BoMOyLeVSwNjcf9m9Pq+S3UeI=; b=DgaMFK5HB3N/cePmNFUV0xyXch9FVDR5fZq/vfpj8icQm7b79N3LLnnrEzOnpfzRZkW2eg Gccbr4BNqDk4LKFR992+DFyZDlpgGlQV0mtgHEQNTC4lvfow4B0FRBoXPOWj5ZBXXM9R+p qHFh7BqnIPPErfEvmmha7h5wS7o3IV87RZKegLolMOfTiaLcu1bVdyeaUPxqHZ5x9Hzm5D p7NwFTGE3t+bmjTmBH9FEZ3x4YZxIhFpH3kM7HenbsrVVoNF9fL6FTGTCzEdjmDex6rkDV CaIKJzlON6iwkyV61olewDWFaj/BuOxREgFzxb7vMYxcTS6oywroxBKos3w5Pw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754721992; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=H5eXU/Op5bnLhBlBS2BoMOyLeVSwNjcf9m9Pq+S3UeI=; b=n61DE8Xt0rt6jQWPrYpBK8IEKJuhf381193V30PoujuxZqtWTAl6ZdTaVpWGbiggaSXpXp TZecV9fbcrZUHQiddcUh+e+QmifSVtAgPk7/Jw6OxSLGeYadctuWBfVQmljEQm5wafxDag UIJo2YN9wu9kp9AzwaVpNnMNC+23ocnwbszAILAcRNGZ/Z+bLOy7krVslbGFPP4VlacoF3 nYILgv7iuEbvGUWj4i0O/IYPUNjfKQ6UZm1tANG212fSLCi7r388I9I035dIl8O/na/jVR 8EqGe1fA5hJhqana7IRI5/tYRiVCi2R+oZH5ls/1nNv6cNiBx2iE6HOWf3lacg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754721992; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Ji7fNpyA9bk/7OL2N5sj+KdbNfMi54yDuLn/N1tV1o3TmZI/M31RPNwnlr9zU/Swg7crpU eoMj0LxnWfmrynXF7YAHE1URK/fCbm3LYwR6RL6hSq4CBr8jB3KMvg/zpMGDT/yhA3AAKT 6R2Yl0yTUeBewflyKhGDspw8q5laW08rG0PLtCpSNoZBB7r3cTWEO7+yY05Pm3usDyjYP5 TvTzAXgtvJwMH6VV75PQtRrZMeB/duYvm8tburBceVIZkzywREtHBChitZIUmIqX2fBqn4 IZM8iQFkiFiW/sKQGYFHShZrOeJMzb5b0ySgKLG001MqMHkG+Vd86nwLoghUvQ== Received: from smtp.theravensnest.org (smtp.theravensnest.org [45.77.103.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: theraven) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bzWdh0F29zwZc; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 06:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (host86-143-41-189.range86-143.btcentralplus.com [86.143.41.189]) by smtp.theravensnest.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45DD3BF8; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 07:46:31 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Chisnall List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2025 07:46:10 +0100 Message-Id: <929543B2-633E-44B5-B6F6-F292CCEADAB3@freebsd.org> References: <20250809062925.GN26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> Cc: Sulev-Madis Silber , freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20250809062925.GN26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> To: David Greenman-Lawrence X-Mailer: iPad Mail (22G86) On 9 Aug 2025, at 07:29, David Greenman-Lawrence wrote: >=20 > FWIW, I do have an opinion on this: I think that "pkg delete -af" is > a useful thing that should not destroy your base system. We should find > a way to make that work as it always has Today, it will destroy any kernel modules installed from packages, including= those necessary for the display to work. It will destroy the ability for Wi= Fi to work if you=E2=80=99re using wifibox. There are a lot of other things i= n ports that are essential to the system for some systems. David