From nobody Tue Sep 19 23:58:59 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RqzCT274xz4tCH9 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 23:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [IPv6:2001:19f0:7400:8808:123::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RqzCT0t2Tz4NyP; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 23:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Catflap-Envelope-From: Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 38JNwxV7004095; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:59:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id 38JNwx5P004094; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:58:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <202309192358.38JNwx5P004094@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:58:59 +0100 Organization: Dyslexic Fish To: ronald-lists@klop.ws, jamie@catflap.org, freebsd@grem.de Cc: pstef@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: changes to ps -d? References: <925097787.3785.1695119378729@localhost> <634385E4-6E9A-410F-9BDC-2E2B97A8C46F@grem.de> <375102065.5853.1695129769542@localhost> <202309192326.38JNQORU003616@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> In-Reply-To: <202309192326.38JNQORU003616@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]); Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:59:00 +0100 (BST) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:7400::/38, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RqzCT0t2Tz4NyP Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > If you make "-D down" the default (as you suggested in a previous message), then > we would be back to having the problem. To expand on that, if a "-D none" option is added, and "-D down" becomes the default, then from my personal point of view, that would be fine. I can easily modify my stuff to add that. It comes down to what Piotr wants to do, and whether you think there is more disruption going back to pre-12.2-release, than there would be now you're used to the new behaviour since 12.2-release. As I was the only person who seems affected by the 12.2-release changes, maybe the newest breaking change is the more noticable? What I'm saying is that personally, I don't care, as long as the pre 12.2-release mode of operation is available somehow, discussions on which should be the default today are way beyond my pay grade :-) Cheers, Jamie