From nobody Mon Jan 30 21:18:32 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P5Ldh1MQqz3cbKc for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 21:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlavilla@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P5Ldh0sftz40XB; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 21:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlavilla@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1675113528; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TcH6LivLfVFXGzcBIjQ+NEpHWS8Y8aEqK4UpWdBAxa8=; b=KoCNDdO+d0ZIEV2v/jRz5W+B9D2Uh3Z/I2+H64hBYeFzWa8UWbAAQqOjsj7FVwos6URHTk mPYPOmnffXvT/Z1IcWov5VwNplFZIpd0oZcR1g4U+441SqyLewvcQGWJPHGvx19nzfNhTc 8mesx+N8DSzcu0Th1pFJLAconhEs6e/Q1aJOHDWMvSbm2T7MSgrPLLDr+Zsc9RCDcrhia8 jBNSuZqiLttYaWVkyK9J825/q1QDWEAbQs7EJyAEHs3e0hxA1v3gv64liJtNqQqvwXaJew 8OGYPw0hgWVqhnD3sd+q2yTbErSN2eRi1Bc3vdn/Ia0b1bW2cY3O+OPzIbcumg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1675113528; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TcH6LivLfVFXGzcBIjQ+NEpHWS8Y8aEqK4UpWdBAxa8=; b=tNyaRRCBGxWzzz4sbwKEkWQt+PWsh5wuiwLSM5rzcmONpgSPuYi5TheM9gXu6TdFS/E0fg imJYEKps/2rQq4hLcQiJZwmL29Rq4X+tn5cumAywHIpC3yUmUz6Gzoiw/9HeeOPYH4vfEe KCGfDASC/eiEKc4cozaLAnasHBpxrm2HEw/Iz69O1abxItN9wzw67C7vwkPV0BWeZ2O7SD OohJ5eFQez7n1dlVOxzzF/yOAaipKaKfOTcRz1FllPnxOAkcYeZfgxBBqidNklOfWe3z8M QTOSkabOM4ufXRfbU4gYvDDQPJ6oMVB59xcdpZA7e0+yEmWWxly0xYjwsAchxQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1675113528; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qXwnExXq0hyAwdTzk18VEvd+684t6Bj4tQpMdsIgDsuV0zFv9HahPW3+bGsRfdLIkQSvnE ez7gNfsPYHru1eMIIPu0qfuCk2K4SvVxQdOBtpAF3V53euPPYobiU74rkl0UysqRltaSf3 b2JqaUGEpbfqEtkF3osTOeHhZ9uuZln06YhLj8qFVCwZyoYavcr1ez7IpE/hmvA9VWA19r BuPT7G5UZ5+ngLZqce7lROFsR5GAWACufqACufo8aW1nGGbzFahyp8fyjdWO6dfGPWCC6I yZRv0xPiyClt2W17tggyiNZQ0vgEkzDYq7rTn/RE9ZK7w2PEovPBGwT2BqN+Nw== Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com (mail-ot1-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: carlavilla) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4P5Ldg6tWbzJhR; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 21:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlavilla@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id g21-20020a9d6495000000b0068bb336141dso3066116otl.11; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 13:18:47 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVJN4zJGA7qliA8vmX+8qchwcMDjBEoqmqtnCSy71GDneDJQqhR mBMFtLCmbzgzx/NX3gz0yGGdezhoCaB8ZSiLr3U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9QivzyU2OChFo/2t/TvbE5rSP4w/Y/HP9sNFPiPH4uPca4xDdaL4ziGtvci3+yLQA6D0TIaDF/9vHkYNAyOwA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:4112:b0:68b:d245:5db1 with SMTP id w18-20020a056830411200b0068bd2455db1mr236681ott.64.1675113524635; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 13:18:44 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301300254.30U2sm0k061914@dell.no.berklix.net> <97020cad-f913-2985-2093-e4c23bf671e3@antonovs.family> <86357sxsly.fsf@cthulhu.stephaner.labo.int> In-Reply-To: From: Sergio Carlavilla Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:18:32 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tooling Integration and Developer Experience To: ykla Cc: Kurt Jaeger , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000982f4b05f381c284" X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000982f4b05f381c284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El lun., 30 ene. 2023 18:06, ykla escribi=C3=B3: > Hi, > > The documentation project on reviews.freebsd.org is also very inactive. > For example, it's been almost 3 months since I submitted my revision - > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37322. After I submitted it, it was neither > reviewed nor approved for a long time. Now, due to changes in the FreeBSD > documentation, some of my changes conflict with the current documentation > and are difficult to resolve. I suppose I could spend some time going ove= r > it again and again, but if no one accepts it, it is pointless. Maybe I > shouldn't make such extensive changes to the documentation.Can you advise > me on how I should go about doing this? Thanks a lot. > > ykla > > Kurt Jaeger =E4=BA=8E2023=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=8830=E6=97=A5= =E5=91=A8=E4=B8=80 18:33=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > >> Hello, >> >> > I had a similar thing happen to me, the mailing list FreeBSD-doc seeme= d >> to >> > exist as if no one existed, and there was no one posting in it except >> for >> > the automated bug reports from the bots. >> > I have not had any replies to my several posts either. >> >> > So can the admins tell how many people actually >> > subscribe to FreeBSD-doc, >> >> The list has 496 subscribers right now. (speaking as one of postmaster@)= . >> >> > or is this just a place to report bugs and people >> > should discuss FreeBSD doc-related issues elsewhere? Or is it that >> almost >> > nobody cares about the FreeBSD documentation? >> >> From my observation, the last few month led to a huge pile of >> workload on many folks that are involved with FreeBSD stuff, so >> not many folks had time to reply/think things through/answer. >> I had the same problem... >> >> I see doc-stuff happen mostly on reviews.freebsd.org. (speaking >> as one of phabric-admins). Pau Amma is the most active docs-person >> as far as I can see. I have not calculated stats, just my gut feeling. >> >> -- >> pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 Now what ? >> . > > Hi, No, your patch is not pointless. I know that your patch was submitted one month ago, but we're in the review of the complete handbook. I'll try to use your patch in some parts of the review. Sorry if you think that your work is not take in consideration, this is not our idea. My public apologies, as I said, I'll try to use your patch in some places. Of course I'll mention you in the commit in these places. About huge patches, please, create minor patches and put me as a reviewer. And again, thanks for your work. > --000000000000982f4b05f381c284 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


El lun., 30 ene. 2023 18:06, ykla <yklaxds@gmail.com> escribi=C3=B3:
Hi,=C2=A0

The documentation project on reviews.freebsd.org is also very= inactive. For example, it's been almost 3 months since I submitted my = revision - https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37322. After I submitt= ed it, it was neither reviewed nor approved for a long time. Now, due to ch= anges in the FreeBSD documentation, some of my changes conflict with the cu= rrent documentation and are difficult to resolve. I suppose I could spend s= ome time going over it again and again, but if no one accepts it, it is poi= ntless. Maybe I shouldn't make such extensive changes to the documentat= ion.Can you advise me on how I should go about doing this? Thanks a lot.

ykla

Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org> =E4=BA=8E= 2023=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=8830=E6=97=A5=E5=91=A8=E4=B8=80 18:33=E5=86=99=E9=81= =93=EF=BC=9A
Hel= lo,

> I had a similar thing happen to me, the mailing list FreeBSD-doc seeme= d to
> exist as if no one existed, and there was no one posting in it except = for
> the automated bug reports from the bots.
> I have not had any replies to my several posts either.

> So can the admins tell how many people actually
> subscribe to FreeBSD-doc,

The list has 496 subscribers right now. (speaking as one of postmaster@).
> or is this just a place to report bugs and people
> should discuss FreeBSD doc-related issues elsewhere? Or is it that alm= ost
> nobody cares about the FreeBSD documentation?

From my observation, the last few month led to a huge pile of
workload on many folks that are involved with FreeBSD stuff, so
not many folks had time to reply/think things through/answer.
I had the same problem...

I see doc-stuff happen mostly on reviews.freebsd.org. (spea= king
as one of phabric-admins). Pau Amma is the most active docs-person
as far as I can see. I have not calculated stats, just my gut feeling.

--
pi@opse= c.eu=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +49 171 3101372=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Now what ?
.

Hi,

No, your patch is not pointless.

I know that your patch was submitted one month ago, but we'r= e in the review of the complete handbook.

=
I'll try to use your patch in some parts of the revie= w.

Sorry if you think th= at your work is not take in consideration, this is not our idea.

My public apologies, as I said, I&= #39;ll try to use your patch in some places. Of course I'll mention you= in the commit in these places.

About huge patches, please, create minor patches and put me as a = reviewer.

And again, tha= nks for your work.
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