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[209.85.128.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6-20020a05620a06c600b0071ddbe8fe23sm5837819qky.24.2023.02.27.16.09.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-536bbe5f888so224805577b3.8; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:09:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:387:b0:538:7f83:4d91 with SMTP id bh7-20020a05690c038700b005387f834d91mr9700891ywb.1.1677542959701; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:09:19 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 01:09:06 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Arm64 Tier 1 FreeBSD 13 Phones To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.128.170:received,2607:f8b0:4864:20::f36:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PQd5Z322Yz43sr X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:07=E2=80=AFAM grarpamp wrot= e: > FreeBSD Phones... Not really a "FreeBSD phones" just "phones" or "mobile multimedia capable embedded devices" as anything can run on them :-) For instance NuttX RTOS on PinePhone takes kilobytes in total: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkGI_0yK1vws There will be many different operating systems soon available on this kind of inexpensive powerful multimedia embedded systems. The problem is standard and compatibility. Unless vendor does not provide complete set of open source drivers and firmwares there will be no move forward. Unless application written for one won't run on another there will be no move forward. Unless there is no overcomplicated SDK and toolchain with libraries that have lifespan shorter than a bread there will be no move forward. Because who needs bare OS/RTOS with no useful familiar applications. :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info