From nobody Mon Mar 28 15:39:29 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A4F1A36E6D; Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f178.google.com (mail-il1-f178.google.com [209.85.166.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KRxhj5227z3ltg; Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f178.google.com with SMTP id b9so10270699ila.8; Mon, 28 Mar 2022 08:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AipIdpfDCxcEced5eOmiL8MzJCT+RIvubTImNF7cnSc=; b=sMsq+RvtcK7XbP4Q2cH4vXVa1qIqgQFq4vVDYOrj3G/X2yQDJJCtCgUF1A/muMFw0u hVGAgvqlLnhMbtDemuoKGhd4FvQvNRFyTv5qOotPFNMFeqWZnljIHX8naLoC20I8dHG4 FVNs5JWXdtPUcvtE+BxWl1A2VvhJrWS4ViTfs74TZl4vpxhhRqeEkCLkmO1DMbk7VbgO soAKozf2WlzRcM8YACLdjwUnAXwb4SeqYcag0wVTZztKfbd1EdLVQcxvxfxLGMbr2AgU ZzaA5eB2X96UsVurOV2eJYkMhBcezKMWyOCNMkqW7rwsZ39VqmSDOqwKeTv1I1z6HhQo s0Gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533FlpMql2A+wbANvbBTWkxmCQX2j4d/X3o1/iAqXtYRg45VNkyy oZ1iRa6SWJN4Wn4zFPaF7ZWD5C/+u+he+x3BIvlod6zp X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzDdnGDfzTaplB7eJX9kAZmrpiNHwv4RbafBUNwv8rMdQGVWydxlTNgS5sdQtHEbAK5js0M2bJau5RovrZLUO4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1c2c:b0:2c8:3753:59c with SMTP id m12-20020a056e021c2c00b002c83753059cmr6387754ilh.260.1648481981623; Mon, 28 Mar 2022 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89c73d2114c1c7f8b5877e7174178a23@bsdforge.com> In-Reply-To: <89c73d2114c1c7f8b5877e7174178a23@bsdforge.com> From: Ed Maste Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:39:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deprecating ISA sound cards To: freebsd-stable stable , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KRxhj5227z3ltg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.975]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[carpeddiem]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.67)[-0.671]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.166.178:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.983]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable,freebsd-current]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.166.178:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 15:30, Eirik =C3=98verby wrote: > > I won't be arguing hard > for keeping these drivers (seeing as I'm clearly the oddball for having > FreeBSD running on hardware which has 1) ISA bus and 2) ISA sound > cards..) On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 17:24, Chris wrote: > > I have a board running freebsd that has 2 GUS cards in it running > simultaneously. Sniff... c=C3=A9st la vi=C3=A9 These drivers will (eventually) need to be updated for Giant locking / spl* leftovers, or be removed. I assumed that these were all museum-class hardware and nobody would use them with contemporary FreeBSD; NYC*BUG dmesgd[1] seemed to concur. That said, I don't think they have a significant maintenance burden in the near term. Any of these drivers that will actually be used with FreeBSD 14 could have their retirement postponed. If this is desired, please identify the specific driver(s), follow up here with a confirmation that they work with 12.3/13.0/CURRENT, and ideally send a dmesg to dmesgd. As far as I can tell there are no GUS cards listed in dmesgd at all. (I also had an original GF1 Ultrasound with 1MB on board although I think it sadly went to e-waste. I never used it with FreeBSD, and it seems the snd_gusc driver only supports UltraSound MAX and newer anyhow.) [1] https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi