From nobody Sun Mar 20 19:16:42 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E331A13B73; Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.evolve.de (mail.evolve.de [213.239.217.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.evolve.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KM6tv6cwrz4njh; Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1464eb57; Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 5255dae0 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-CHACHA20-POLY1305-SHA256:256:NO); Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Deprecating ISA sound cards From: Michael Gmelin In-Reply-To: <04DBD89A-A857-4790-BE3B-C3B90AD563EC@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:16:42 +0100 Cc: Chris , Ed Maste , freebsd-stable stable , FreeBSD Current Message-Id: <6C820317-449B-4C3D-AB03-D18A763A7DC1@freebsd.org> References: <04DBD89A-A857-4790-BE3B-C3B90AD563EC@FreeBSD.org> To: David Chisnall X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D52) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KM6tv6cwrz4njh X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 213.239.217.29 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grembo@freebsd.org) smtp.mailfrom=grembo@freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grembo]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.52)[0.519]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current,freebsd-stable]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > On 20. Mar 2022, at 15:45, David Chisnall wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 19 Mar 2022, at 21:24, Chris wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2022-03-18 09:08, Ed Maste wrote: >>> ISA sound cards have been obsolete for more than a decade, and it is >>> (past) time to retire their drivers. This includes the following >>> drivers/devices: >>> snd_ad1816 Analog Devices AD1816 SoundPort >>> snd_ess Ensoniq ESS >>> snd_gusc Gravis UltraSound >>> snd_mss Microsoft Sound System >>> snd_sbc Creative Sound Blaster >>> I have a review open to add deprecation notices: >>> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D34604 >>> I expect to commit this in the near future, then MFC to stable >>> branches and remove these drivers from main. Please follow up if >>> there's a reason we should postpone the removal of any of these >>> drivers. >> This only hurts from a nostalgic perspective. Those GUS cards were incred= ible! >> I have a board running freebsd that has 2 GUS cards in it running >=20 > Exactly my reaction. You can tell you=E2=80=99re old when drivers are rem= oved from the tree for mainstream hardware that you never owned but wished t= hat you could afford. >=20 I=E2=80=99ll never give away my GUS classic/GF1 with full 1MB onboard RAM(!)= . It was too much fun to program and tracker/demo support was superb. Plus, r= ed PCBs felt really 1337 back then. That said (and assuming it still works), it's unlikely I would use it with a= nything else but DOS these days. Cheers Michael