From nobody Wed Sep 22 10:18:38 2021 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1552175DF35; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Received: from plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (plan-b.pwste.edu.pl [IPv6:2001:678:618::40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "plan-b.pwste.edu.pl", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HDvQc4prDz4qc5; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Received: from fomalhaut.potoki.eu (dom.potoki.eu [62.133.140.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 18MAIdis056768 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:18:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; s=plan-b-mailer; t=1632305919; bh=6IZIpr4I29RBEk2gDd4V7OwENTdzmJLUZT7aKyNxvZY=; h=To:References:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=aEjwQ46pQf/6ZAhTfnEPLpQu+kUZYBYFg8NgWIj6j51k+ump8lTRM38JkBuWAkfHw wAep2RytOMdrXSHdi7XY7GcGZNNnqnhlwU7yn60zpQ1BaSffNuQBBP7q05KQKZXKZ+ zRdIVhh6FJwcPtO7WcAO87+himGmrlbC4beQb62QJmgQIOsQlHmQfoEzs4+vHcm+2D G4l92DIoxNFiC1G6eeCnvG1BWldFS+IoFOptLRdGnw/58sh8HAnbHJt1pQAOJzDWS0 sJIzIqAAmrMWgnxzBC9cmMNoG3G/KjGVrdpD41/mGTQExcwnG0ct4mx33cCuDGAoYd Qf8EXdU3sU5xA== X-Authentication-Warning: plan-b.pwste.edu.pl: Host dom.potoki.eu [62.133.140.50] claimed to be fomalhaut.potoki.eu To: Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, arch@FreeBSD.org References: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> From: Marek Zarychta Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root Message-ID: <329044cc-1b04-31c8-213a-93b38d79b58c@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:18:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dq8D5COX5Jv8CXtZl02HVZLWviOnvCgqf" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HDvQc4prDz4qc5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dq8D5COX5Jv8CXtZl02HVZLWviOnvCgqf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="m9mSZeFc7iAv6vYvaklLudKoQSBgBzZuD"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marek Zarychta To: Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, arch@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <329044cc-1b04-31c8-213a-93b38d79b58c@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root References: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> In-Reply-To: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> --m9mSZeFc7iAv6vYvaklLudKoQSBgBzZuD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: pl Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 22.09.2021 o=C2=A010:36, Baptiste Daroussin pisze: > Hello, >=20 > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!! >=20 > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be co= nfusing > as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne = shell > compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh. >=20 > Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in > interactive mode: > * command completion (thanks pstef@) > * improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like othe= r shells > * improvement in the vi mode (in particular the vi edit to respect $EDI= TOR) > * support for history as described by POSIX. >=20 > This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to p= ropose to > make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not M= FCed) >=20 > If no strong arguments has been raised until October 15th, I will make = this > proposal happen. >=20 > Again just in case: THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE CSH FROM BASE! >=20 > Best regards, > Baptiste > Is /bin/csh going to become default toor's default shell since then? 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