From nobody Tue Dec 14 17:36:07 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4511918F0C7E; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JD5Bv1VWNz3w19; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1639503367; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TM02o+P9HHmOAX+8HA13HeCcn4z0yZNPcdCVjrr1dNI=; b=oFOWpPhnBm/qjFcpq2hjW64fTgZFsFc5UKxY8kCho9ZvEbQBnBirZq71qdQ1oywYUkpZB4 NzuapMLLhaUoUuYVTjJp0LVHmCxpu3nWDsWoUtP+ycrb9BHHekDFWqxD1J6mQR6a93ZvAL rV2o1ag5xEOhEu2TSch2nbLFp3+/1p1aHjg+tkAFGfNXd19vA6ZULbR9TA3Szl0+Cth3wV 5DIirDRvED2KONCKeuFy8aMVh1GTtlZ90CwWWeqP6PogbMrxjetptIwTFyl7hul9PMW96I tNrmZz33C19ixYgEt8d1w+rAZq1BJ/dQ5OTsMToy6Q4OytCHSHR7u6fMiBSzbA== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 1C3422D5; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:36:07 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: John Baldwin Cc: Emmanuel Vadot , Gleb Smirnoff , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smr inp breaks some jail use cases and panics with i915kms don't switch to the console anymore Message-ID: References: <1db0942e-0e66-4337-ce2f-4e1005107435@FreeBSD.org> <20211213183222.f945b2e730f7c22dbe74681c@bidouilliste.com> <20211214091427.c531cf51b0284d8a1165b9bb@bidouilliste.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1639503367; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TM02o+P9HHmOAX+8HA13HeCcn4z0yZNPcdCVjrr1dNI=; b=dNZZZVerQuXewzdYCr9UFaaFWQdx4XVNrnGpgAC0Z1WHXzPhKeBPYDUPZzcA/zfqw2x4cT 0R1QnTv2z5wJH16ptuI3AIpb1BEnaXoAeeeyUaVrWqPCI8zsOOZ/mbCSSCjYR0qkCRZMZo 46lJtkY9vihdX/WyPltohOU+hpHcarR4HWJmP44RRCONZVLsd7si81hMIwcnEa9gysb7zk FVWo+Qre+9nvuFqNiNav4USenXEIsVvoSsMWLMWXqz9qRgvXAp5+BPCTu5H1ck1yUEUsRZ +MDtYyFK1aZGBb5QjtNpqL9YeV5jPT4ArGgjA66PZyr/m5OC8i+yH11vq3ie/g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1639503367; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=HJyU9ox6Uh/stef0iaAORkuyuEptTjWMcZ+HVAbmsloBxhJDGQvJ9qdYTJAdIii35SCgb6 pNRJJ/o7HP9sP6kgOywn1M5MWkh5630Yx+XoaCrASg8BdQpVq/oi38IpfRxjUq93iixAO2 0ELc7rslAM5eN1QEEYkfqwAZwjLte/Ogzjd9OBBQAmFuJBZVlvj1HXqn7IHmtQ9OThLP23 r/P5OuYyk8m0ylaICbBJ49URAE3nI4Ct/2CCIR2vNxVH5iTwI470VLqsXT1wWgG1kM94tk egZjuhSTW+J7eH7SOTQZbN6jyr/pUYPsF+GSsXkdjBG0MP/bveXswQ2meDKTPg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 09:27:01AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > On 12/14/21 2:14 AM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > How do you mean? Most FreeBSD people, not some random Twitter crowd, > > want the bell to be on by default, but it's still off. > > I don't know that that's true, and I myself am not sure that I want it > back on by default. Previously my laptop had a rather annoying beep > whose volume I couldn't control that I actually prefer to have off > normally. Is it still annoying after Warner had fixed the frequency? In that unfortunate case, you should probably disable it just for yourself. Disabling it for everyone by default mutes an important communication channel which is useful for low-level debugging and troubleshooting. It is often the only way to understand if machine is working or not. ./danfe