From nobody Tue Dec 14 11:12:00 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8941B18E0B27; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JCwgj6l8Wz3j7f; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1639480320; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PhOwkOG9ALoe6JoMe5MRzJMz1R1XMYi5czKD+gKemaQ=; b=tTYonm4fnKsuWPp8kONdNQvEYvnX00lAaWGm+XlJ7cfwvwhmrM4kaLKhkQQwy+mADXyxwD 4lIFIlFyC+oKZZng7izN8uADGx+Y6E+3R4zQJE30xQhF9o+moILAf6JJ0mGNmqLtSZ2ySZ gYqZLK48qzaanvN5sgGYOs3UyRz52fY= Received: from amy (lfbn-idf2-1-1163-183.w90-92.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.92.222.183]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e82d561e (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:12:00 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: John Baldwin , Gleb Smirnoff , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smr inp breaks some jail use cases and panics with i915kms don't switch to the console anymore Message-Id: <20211214121200.b824c6aebbaaa287a21db89c@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1db0942e-0e66-4337-ce2f-4e1005107435@FreeBSD.org> <20211213183222.f945b2e730f7c22dbe74681c@bidouilliste.com> <20211214091427.c531cf51b0284d8a1165b9bb@bidouilliste.com> <20211214112707.9bd528d32d6b8e3f2e3c62fe@bidouilliste.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JCwgj6l8Wz3j7f X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:05:19 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:27:07AM +0100, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:14:24 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > ... > > > I know that I had problemless desktop some 10-5 years ago, okayish > > > desktop ~three years ago, tolerable experience with 4.16.x DRM bits > > > and shitty one with current 5.4.x (FWIW, 5.x had been problematic > > > for me since the beginning, but previously it was fairly easy to > > > build drm-fbsd12.0-kmod on -CURRENT to avoid regressions, now the > > > source bases had divered too far enough; it's probably still possible > > > to patch, but would take longer time). > > > > Any PR open for your issues? > > At first I was going to say something about such PRs would be closed > as overcome by events anyways, but I like the change of your tone, so > I won't. :) All those PR that I closed were old and mostly unrelevant anymore. > I've just ordered a Full HD IPS screen for my laptop so I could play > modern (well, relatively modern) games, thus I expect I'd be sticking > my hands into X11 stack deeper. I'll collect my notes and stories in > a submittable shape and file them. > > > Well this telegram chat is still a community one, I don't see how it > > makes a difference. > > Well, it'a a group of actual FreeBSD users vs. Twitter where random > people who probably don't even use FreeBSD could see the poll and would > gladly click on preloaded correct answer. Still doesn't change the fact that not a lot of people are there. And we're back to my point back then during the bikesched, we do not have a good and reliable way to do poll for FreeBSD users. > > Also I can't see the poll result. > > Hmm, indeed, it does not display results even when viewed via browser, > that is, unlogged. OTOH you should really try Telegram, there's nothing > better right now on the market. > > ./danfe > I manage to see it (and even vote :P) via my phone, I don't use (nor want to) telegram on my desktops. -- Emmanuel Vadot