From nobody Tue Dec 14 10:27:07 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FD018D2A87; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JCvgy3rJGz3D7F; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1639477628; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gSol03+9Vgj5nNAaMkmj0bkWDRxOdH7KcggAsJuUQvI=; b=ATgqyIRjp3t4nm5+svKnTXnWv70MkHhHsxU+yePyASehvn4/aN8jh0N1lr7qFgVVvBYlJP qHDizOkK12nN3sR8/N5uamY3xIqgyOAkCR1tTb2QW9gqR0W0A5JZOOqUE3EFM8HEGJMaRZ 5wpAfClUUU2mdH6nFQTe5yjFnyFuRQg= Received: from skull.home.blih.net (lfbn-idf2-1-1163-183.w90-92.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.92.222.183]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 134efced (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:27:07 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: John Baldwin , Gleb Smirnoff , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smr inp breaks some jail use cases and panics with i915kms don't switch to the console anymore Message-Id: <20211214112707.9bd528d32d6b8e3f2e3c62fe@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1db0942e-0e66-4337-ce2f-4e1005107435@FreeBSD.org> <20211213183222.f945b2e730f7c22dbe74681c@bidouilliste.com> <20211214091427.c531cf51b0284d8a1165b9bb@bidouilliste.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JCvgy3rJGz3D7F X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:14:24 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 09:14:27AM +0100, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 07:11:28 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > ... > > > Oh, you know, it's about steadily deteriorating quality of our gfx > > > stack once we had started pulling things from Linux. > > > > Right. > > That just proves that you know nothing and will just complain on > > everything "new". > > I know that I had problemless desktop some 10-5 years ago, okayish > desktop ~three years ago, tolerable experience with 4.16.x DRM bits > and shitty one with current 5.4.x (FWIW, 5.x had been problematic > for me since the beginning, but previously it was fairly easy to > build drm-fbsd12.0-kmod on -CURRENT to avoid regressions, now the > source bases had divered too far enough; it's probably still possible > to patch, but would take longer time). Any PR open for your issues ? > > We've *always* pulled drm bits from Linux, always. > > You know what I've meant. I do because I know the history, not everyone does. > > > In FreeBSD chat and with less biased poll than the one Warner had posted > > > on Twitter, most people had actually voted against making it off by > > > default: https://t.me/FreeBSD1/25129. > > > > So nothing changes then? > > How do you mean? Most FreeBSD people, not some random Twitter crowd, want > the bell to be on by default, but it's still off. > > ./danfe > Sorry I didn't see the "against". Well this telegram chat is still a community one, I don't see how it makes a difference. Also I can't see the poll result. -- Emmanuel Vadot