From nobody Tue Dec 14 10:14:24 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A359B18F7EBF; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JCvPD4J0Dz58Jw; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1639476864; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=utF9pyTXh52e+iOjrLXZKWlkuP/vfvI2nCAOh9hdiy4=; b=Ok7pu4XXfX6YKhnMvuE1DXC7TSvCygDuVsDYpNBAHVkEGx8VYXvGmMOwz6sHjMJ8VuCgmT xhWybfEeYt5mROPmTfDVJDE0TjglLqB9O8vTPtz25kxXklTr+Rd0rbKN+SqVAhcvQfCd6E EQXd3YI4a8mALWh5xgCJPIUO1mvyQhlweg54pd+DxJx/tfZyPIKgcVF6Xcs9b75fTUa9bt 18sbM/TpevZELOJyMVhcHsJ2aRQijUGMuTKh9GVF3SpRFW2/gSI9WaCf5oh92F8rw4/jPW xLcag58b/NICOGBtGXmy2Vvo7lalrz9S8tK2if3A9g9E/IDjYdxbbtVufegBVg== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 7435E1E783; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:14:24 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Emmanuel Vadot Cc: John Baldwin , Gleb Smirnoff , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: smr inp breaks some jail use cases and panics with i915kms don't switch to the console anymore Message-ID: References: <1db0942e-0e66-4337-ce2f-4e1005107435@FreeBSD.org> <20211213183222.f945b2e730f7c22dbe74681c@bidouilliste.com> <20211214091427.c531cf51b0284d8a1165b9bb@bidouilliste.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20211214091427.c531cf51b0284d8a1165b9bb@bidouilliste.com> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1639476864; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=utF9pyTXh52e+iOjrLXZKWlkuP/vfvI2nCAOh9hdiy4=; b=SOFXPdWIitH2/MvFLu0ZmpgcoNZe6h056fC0i2tbR2ucDhHfvMqhl9UEEWnMQIjeES92Ha a94qS1WNlVesxPlZHGlxZ040HMmnO/E/kO4dT+2Y6e3WCP50s2+EHbjgMHqCeXQNiET8vN O6uONhdfBcthTbyLcdHxyRgCe2H23r4JvFCqBoj4tHM3rYBymbwO8J1uw+izeqpZYI8r9i wF3HcArCGCGaRjhOUv3rB6bXwD8QvWlm7N5QPed0KB1T57JInmvjTXzXFU30okuZDfH7kk otu8SarHcv5aM97T9q7jB5SFC1uUPruLMZdcgs+WT8qieQGlIFwsjVG2HLv+5A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1639476864; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ddSPLGzBsa5ZXWSD0pEJy8O49uqivq/KmzKZ5/osmyAVO9Ab441PgO5FN65VVtsuaT+uMB xCiDcyBdv2UIMvu9d9cbV+aXsW2VDv5GBwrz514DwSjQX5tsn96AWPJ6AG6E4RoX9GwI6N NQ+gf2ZtvHFRk8+WGAkQARYpyWB8EAkntvDqvSbeiTF+7DCGodfZC7HQy5dhdgVdLS+xJ3 nmvJI3FNF0L/chaiB+CtC0cpR6fC4/luTNhy6V7nUPIh6R580LkFknjKZAXkw3rucZNhb0 +qkMZ2743okzswfSbU/esWLtwaAi0b5pGjMph4dcXP8cXzT6cdWq4dE1cBIicA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 09:14:27AM +0100, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 07:11:28 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > ... > > Oh, you know, it's about steadily deteriorating quality of our gfx > > stack once we had started pulling things from Linux. > > Right. > That just proves that you know nothing and will just complain on > everything "new". I know that I had problemless desktop some 10-5 years ago, okayish desktop ~three years ago, tolerable experience with 4.16.x DRM bits and shitty one with current 5.4.x (FWIW, 5.x had been problematic for me since the beginning, but previously it was fairly easy to build drm-fbsd12.0-kmod on -CURRENT to avoid regressions, now the source bases had divered too far enough; it's probably still possible to patch, but would take longer time). > We've *always* pulled drm bits from Linux, always. You know what I've meant. > > In FreeBSD chat and with less biased poll than the one Warner had posted > > on Twitter, most people had actually voted against making it off by > > default: https://t.me/FreeBSD1/25129. > > So nothing changes then? How do you mean? Most FreeBSD people, not some random Twitter crowd, want the bell to be on by default, but it's still off. ./danfe