From nobody Sat Feb 03 17:58:49 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TS0kj3BMsz585LQ; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TS0kj2f1Yz4hK2; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1706983133; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=MhHQfEBekOsatIVJQaLOZYMv5dw+CEZVj8oaUXwf37s=; b=PRUoMSxMy8mT8iDFrj51XoGDbaj/B8Y3avG6KCrE0E1PMaqFHz9IVloXJIFLhQR+YysiXG iQDU1XKXwFqiIPK3NkNrMbYcwVsukfT+JAJFyqqDLBIcptBcUrCziWqIfQYIw0QGkfOBTW ieLLnk50zEOsxLlvaJlDhtcughPumC5FbftE3L45s+GFj6Av2SwL7Tk1ltYQOstLd9wN2T 97zLp0jeN1oC37Oq6h3R4d7/U7ttDPOE+xLBsa4RdnkZ7+Y+2VcwFzw4GCleHSVpj/MsPz vInbaPZLi/2EiwdXpNIWsvqbfxSVlWDWdKezY8hgUUAOq11D40MrOvInY8mxBw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1706983133; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=MhHQfEBekOsatIVJQaLOZYMv5dw+CEZVj8oaUXwf37s=; b=MnNSt0EBjcRvq9I4aiz8Rx2xC2ks7DTv48O5sJ+R9SfRIf4XjDtSOIlG8ZUAh2R6iecurF YJFxZN8G2NIT7xWSphPu4zpL17EMaZ5ekIdsy+1SWZXUryYmM21grZZ5wnQ7hGNvvZv7bO VwH5jg0Z9xne9qUyyAeN4EbLsUyWr1sir3UkMd8pM2mkVIBzmAdstrcvd6C11gV81Ay44s +vmEmmI9FaI+peT3dB6kEGENxTt/9Rrh7RbylrXT3zGBKippDdVsgID++QLo38brKV3ACB VtQPEv5AVSOleslxCJ88o/ky50BWDZ4VcQFkn1Y8rS9MVTEj6opKZbKGdAv0kQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1706983133; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=l+kVDYIAfnDQ0csEqgrwpu7d1hQEHbBxbJW4g3o90DWpil5BvtZsrd9DKsifKFQCmvrD9C 7OXJRddgxgtNEtxX8pGEFMLLhtTn4q2N/lRbOwzqggiwdXm4lBrF4EgkQstBidW8Mlp+VZ qAUmHrOB2jTwF13HuQYTI9ma473NT0u/h/WT5XcZ7wc8NRmd8d4GvSMlgLtyeGE+oPnz6E 2W04Eh94OFAKHVqtfolhkOJVpNb5AjKHgwA2+6BfRWVacbJAPDBAW+9LVRkinLOI2OLHjh GgU7RwwEyKA8nd1cqm43/tFG5SdpNIbeGVIBecZA/XeKRP+4mIqVRIYlGqlFTA== Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: glebius) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TS0kh1Htnz1NQT; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 09:58:49 -0800 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Warner Losh Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , Mina =?utf-8?B?R2FsacSH?= , Warner Losh , src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: git: ce348fe5cfc3 - main - amd64 & i386: enable VIMAGE in MINIMAL Message-ID: References: <202402030136.4131aQIM010980@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <70o6oo0s-r8nn-7r92-5s6r-6so586rpo1o1@SerrOFQ.bet> List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 08:59:46AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: W> Now, I totally get the desire to have a minimal kernel that doesn't have W> any baggage in it. I totally support that notion. Maybe we need another W> kernel in the tree to do that. Maybe it should be called MINIMAL since that W> name makes sense and one of two renamings happen: Either we rename GENERIC W> to GENERIC-STATIC and MINIMAL to GENERIC, or we rename MINIMAL to MODULAR W> and have it (eventually) become the new default. Or we need to create a new W> name that connotes the same things that MINIMAL seems to inspire in people W> (since the name evokes notions not quite compatible with my original W> charter for it). I have nothing on good names, though. All the ones I W> thought of have other issues, though maybe staking out a charter for what's W> in this config (the absolute smallest that will boot? Or are there a few W> additional things that are needed). I'd be happy with either plan: 1) GENERIC -> GENERIC-STATIC or STATIC, MINIMAL -> GENERIC, create new MINIMAL 2) MINIMAL -> MODULAR, create new MINIMAL We just need at least one supported working kernel without VIMAGE (and probably other useful stuff, that is not useful to everyone). -- Gleb Smirnoff