From nobody Wed Apr 19 22:42:44 2023 X-Original-To: accessibility@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q1wm65v9Sz45LH7 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauamma@gundo.com) Received: from mail.gundo.com (gibson.gundo.com [75.145.166.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q1wm55lyQz3s3n for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 22:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauamma@gundo.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pauamma@gundo.com designates 75.145.166.65 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pauamma@gundo.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gundo.com Received: from webmail.gundo.com (variax.gundo.com [75.145.166.70]) by mail.gundo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBFB4C24B8 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:42:44 -0500 (CDT) List-Id: FreeBSD accessibility discussions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-accessibility List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 22:42:44 +0000 From: Pau Amma To: accessibility@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Terminal Reader and Text User Interface utilities In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.8 Message-ID: X-Sender: pauamma@gundo.com Organization: The Cabal (TINC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.18 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.954]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.76)[-0.765]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.54)[0.542]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gundo.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:75.145.166.64/28:c]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[75.145.166.65:from]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[75.145.166.65:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:75.144.0.0/13, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[accessibility@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[pauamma]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[accessibility@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q1wm55lyQz3s3n X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2023-04-19 21:50, Alfonso Sabato Siciliano wrote: > On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 at 23:30, Pau Amma wrote: > >> Just popping up to say I'll happily be a sounding board and help >> explain >> or formalize requirements if needed, but I'm not going to take a more >> active role in that discussion since I'm not a screenreader user >> myself. > > I'm not a screenreader user myself, too. So I asked for suggestions. > However to understand the problem is sufficient to run a simple: > $ dialog --infobox "test" 0 0 | espeak > or > $ bsddialog --infobox "test" 0 0 | espeak Oh, I understand the problem. (Or at least, I think I do.) What I know I *don't* understand is usability or UX flaws in proposed solutions that would be obvious to a screenreader user. Hence, I need to take a backseat unless and until it looks like I'm needed for something. > Our installer (bsdinstall) is built on TUI dialogs, so to find a > solution > for a simple > TUI utilityfor the PORTS options can be the first step to provide an > accessible > (speech) installer. I got that, yes. -- #BlackLivesMatter #TransWomenAreWomen #AccessibilityMatters #StandWithUkrainians English: he/him/his (singular they/them/their/theirs OK) French: il/le/lui (iel/iel and ielle/ielle OK) Tagalog: siya/niya/kaniya (please avoid sila/nila/kanila)