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Warner On Thu, Aug 7, 2025, 4:31=E2=80=AFPM Steffen Nurpmeso = wrote: > Hello Simon, all, > > Simon J. Gerraty wrote in > <202508072215.577MFjpx011932@gitrepo.freebsd.org>: > ... > |URL: > https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D5c4d1c85847d84bd86e6b12408f\ > |9b5f846094f39 > | > |commit 5c4d1c85847d84bd86e6b12408f9b5f846094f39 > |Author: Simon J. Gerraty > |AuthorDate: 2025-08-07 22:15:37 +0000 > |Commit: Simon J. Gerraty > |CommitDate: 2025-08-07 22:15:37 +0000 > | > | Replace license with just SPDX BSD-2-Clause > > That is very interesting! And .. are you really sure this is > right with BSD etc licenses which explicitly require that the > license text is included? > So i looked and found [1] which says > > SPDX IDs are intending to express information about > licenses. Copyright notices =E2=80=90 statements about who owns the > copyright in a file or project =E2=80=90 are outside the scope of SPDX > short-form IDs. > Therefore, you should not remove or modify existing copyright > notices in files when adding an SPDX ID. > > However i am sure you do not do something like this "just like > that", and would be very interested -- it would be nice to be able > to vaporise the file header -- i always have that pitfall moment > when i look into Plan9 / 9front source code, which then simply > starts off (and very often with "#include ", just like that). > > [1] https://spdx.dev/learn/handling-license-info/ > > --steffen > | > |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |(By Robert Gernhardt) > | > |During summer's humble, here's David Leonard's grumble > | > |The black bear, The black bear, > |blithely holds his own holds himself at leisure > |beating it, up and down tossing over his ups and downs with pleasure > | > |Farewell, dear collar bear > --000000000000fc7ad3063bce7684 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks!

Warn= er=C2=A0

On Thu, Aug 7, 2025, 4:31=E2=80=AFPM St= effen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu= > wrote:
Hello Simon, all,
Simon J. Gerraty wrote in
=C2=A0<202508072215.577MFjpx011932@gitrepo.= freebsd.org>:
=C2=A0...
=C2=A0|URL: https= ://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D5c4d1c85847d84bd86e6b12408f\
=C2=A0|9b5f846094f39
=C2=A0|
=C2=A0|commit 5c4d1c85847d84bd86e6b12408f9b5f846094f39
=C2=A0|Author:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Simon J. Gerraty <sjg@FreeBSD.org><= br> =C2=A0|AuthorDate: 2025-08-07 22:15:37 +0000
=C2=A0|Commit:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Simon J. Gerraty <sjg@FreeBSD.org><= br> =C2=A0|CommitDate: 2025-08-07 22:15:37 +0000
=C2=A0|
=C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replace license with just SPDX BSD-2-Clause

That is very interesting!=C2=A0 And .. are you really sure this is
right with BSD etc licenses which explicitly require that the
license text is included?
So i looked and found [1] which says

=C2=A0 SPDX IDs are intending to express information about
=C2=A0 licenses. Copyright notices =E2=80=90 statements about who owns the<= br> =C2=A0 copyright in a file or project =E2=80=90 are outside the scope of SP= DX
=C2=A0 short-form IDs.
=C2=A0 Therefore, you should not remove or modify existing copyright
=C2=A0 notices in files when adding an SPDX ID.

However i am sure you do not do something like this "just like
that", and would be very interested -- it would be nice to be able
to vaporise the file header -- i always have that pitfall moment
when i look into Plan9 / 9front source code, which then simply
starts off (and very often with "#include <u.h>", just like= that).

=C2=A0 [1] https://spdx.dev/learn/handling-l= icense-info/

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The= moon bear,
|der holt sich munter=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0he cheerfully= and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter=C2=A0 wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
|
|During summer's humble, here's David Leonard's grumble
|
|The black bear,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The black bear,
|blithely holds his own=C2=A0 =C2=A0holds himself at leisure
|beating it, up and down=C2=A0 tossing over his ups and downs with pleasure=
|
|Farewell, dear collar bear
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