Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 09:40:00AM +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote:
E> > E> sane default that most users agrees on in base FreeBSD. If you don't
E> > E> agree with the defaults we have a way to change them.
E> > 
E> > To me this looks like abuse of committer priveleges. I got commit bit,
E> > so I can change the defaults.
E> 
E>  Oh common ...

This is not the answer I'd like to hear. :(

I'd rather hear why your opinion matters more than for example Slawa's.

E>  Except that FreeBSD doesn't include drm drivers or graphical env by
E> default so the first thing that a user (new or not) have to deal with
E> is vt(4). So they will login, do a bunch of command to configure the
E> machine and will probably use tab for completion, and what will they
E> hear when multiple commands are possible ? The bell. What will they
E> hear if they try to go left or right in the shell and arrive at one of
E> the ends ? The bell. And they will hear it in a bunch of other
E> situation.

So the problem is that we are forcing people to go through painful
graphics setup, rather than in the bell.

E>  Again it's clearly user preference and as you can see I really hate
E> this bell. I'm sure that more people than the one who answered this
E> commit like the bell but the question is do more people wants it on be
E> default or not ?
E>  The non-scientific method that is twitter seems to agree with me
E> (https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1450955125002887170).
E>  So, do we really want to make a poll so users can vote on what to do
E> with a freaking bell ???

Well, if you put it like that, I can compose a 100% symmetrical answer:

As you see I really LOVE the bell. And I'm looking forward to upgrade
my desktop past your commit and expecting my BELOVED bell to be turned
off. Just like you, I hate idea of tweaking configuration, I want it ON
by default as it used to be from the beginning of times. Unlike Slawa,
I got commit bit, so I can go and turn it back on.

So, yeah, looks like creating a poll about a precious bell could be a
solution of this dispute.

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Gleb Smirnoff