From nobody Thu May 11 14:24:24 2023 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QHDgf1gtPz4BJ1m; Thu, 11 May 2023 14:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garyj@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QHDgd51Htz4P1T; Thu, 11 May 2023 14:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garyj@gmx.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1683815089; i=garyj@gmx.de; bh=ePAE3saah1Hs9irSsBnKgn85ziJ9i8V+FJXBJe+V8zI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Reply-To; b=IeZuOJv50oYhHX4vqSWQI3sy8Qss1VhT2vFlaC+hXZ9a0NZFcdyurddI+nETScrWQ tL8oAcpKw3YqPMK7HX7cQHMCVL+1kp6p+QL2zVkTYyCNMitXT0N4MwDj8L6jjsQfSL 1XWCPpjLnJ3XsmCWwMxcmcwf1ziV/KGY1ok5s4lwJvw3QVLu5dcMfhoJhjWXspiVdM XqP8xZOMPWwypKaUmXvlxf/p7oj9WGorGEuAaaGR2/yOJwPrmpFC9d7/fzOMA0SX8V 1oO5p8KggFHMNfqjxgHZ07SLFRwn9hrZMrQcsGRbWDjW+KkgeyjoSumvfc0OqxQbK/ t2k4OX/x3DXew== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from ernst.home ([91.59.238.143]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MCbEp-1q6hjG18vz-009cyf; Thu, 11 May 2023 16:24:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 14:24:24 +0000 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: Mike Karels , Cy Schubert , Mitchell Horne , rgrimes@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 36db6b04962a - main - hier(7): document /home/ and /usr/home/ Message-ID: <20230511162424.3e8b3e55@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: <202305101419.34AEJf1x054239@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20230510151313.9E7A6111@slippy.cwsent.com> <4367FD0A-76AC-4E98-A133-E50D8CF841C7@karels.net> Reply-To: garyj@gmx.de X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZvX3w5ursTGDs7l/jBIKxbcd4vA2poW8TahCBLLeJHijcd/oYF7 uJ+Xf4BbQedf4igcURJK+sKt14502ACzvoUkfZStGwW/gIIhp04LIrt6lfRyHwsFjus5Z6T l+tQCkySG0abJx7kjGaNRXv+FmXXLvDe65vtC4wn8FDff2TY2bjWQN1LsvH84ai9QjnOXxr Je4G0WxM0mStTHP57xYpQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Q3Iprm40mFk=;KJtzx2v+mQNIpeJ1B5fWs812Q4J DeK1cyyAEYLzlfq2sP5EacsQX1i1GgCwU8Nye9ZxQxQfNHaxKLuI/9F1D+qX6LDfkJgdxGNWL 0sRjOJLktn/AiDewQVP6a5zpK3BuN9IIC8pt2bV6ABR9qEPRifi9uIenNgH4B3NLA8gJIilzK petotT/xNIr7nlewyw1XXWOQrM5wIXuzI0wOLmdfH4hicCp9Alf53jAaZQ6fvKwnplDpnkaAJ r3B0eZTLzruyMn67PbpwyB3L86vctr2fTGmm93M4LNq7ebvCCm+T7+obEpTSAv1LfguWTVkCn jk70aMaOjeFkJlzmjp+7xJ2bawgkUsptDJC8Czdzf+0+sfzOTfrUIlOm0hCJd57GRJdaSW72U gIPoPxs0mW9rDM86xKUjZfwLnJegDuaszQcw4qSHjJMbHFf8u0bsljJm8TpwxZ8+mOXc6+0X1 pz7RxSB2Tch8rAQ/tUM8XhlIfF/tI8YOw/MlngWIY0KSFFQnU/ddVH47lpuZGu/vmV/TgH+zh bvyBYD2O/Gi3mtlfIqx4qb1a8kmn+wI6MDZxiG4W1z1XCg1VisDp5zkZZvT6ZRikXRF6OuzPT qGC3ckHE20odBxHhJbVs9td5taq0yViZP/YcXEIb0DbfTQOpyYxpS7aIo60jwL5q8N4jNyns6 Fu6lDvb8S1ZzwpvtIfPZWFoKA/IPkwPVIzmPjXvnkJX52eBci3mUOHcbjoJhWuXZiU60w5Vwm NjQZpOrGVwBr1+yURxqeTq3hNoNNYeiuRI689+NgpGG+DP6nXp4WBY5BqZ8SXwtB7wGm3ZnAb IQE7lkZ/wlmIauf7sS/UypOfta6d65uNGyA9Rb71SuLyT45gXniEGSVnGnMzPURN8pU0wyGGG 6MqcqXaEGCZkAqZMhEhrPzbiQRb0nMxdnjd1AE/a9XBX79V2YkwRHbUErhmyXMLOwhAtGxm4/ TyipKc3bolH5kk4S+LXNxt3JIqI= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QHDgd51Htz4P1T X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 11 May 2023 09:11:20 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 04:48:12PM -0500, Mike Karels wrote: > > ... > > I'm sure the kludge was originally done when root and /usr were separa= te > > file systems by default, root was small, and there was no /home by def= ault. > > I think that's the idea, yes. FWIW, I still partition my drives this wa= y: > 2~4GB root with big /usr and /home (the latter lives on separate partiti= on > because it's encrypted). For non-encrypted setup, /home does not have t= o > be a separate partition and can be a symlink to `usr/home'. I actually > don't find this inconvenient or particularly kludgy. Surely it's nice t= o > be able to encrypt one's data, but it's also nice not having to worry if > you'd suddenly get ENOSPC while there's still plenty of room on adjacent > partition. > This kind of setup is OK for a single-user system. But for an admin tryin= g to set up a system with many users it would be very problematical if /usr were to fill up. I personally have a 60G SSD for /usr and a 1TB SSD for /home. My /home has about 4 times more data on it than is on /usr. > > However, we now default to a single large file system (with datasets, = in > > the ZFS case). > > ZFS makes it all easier of course, but at its present state is not usabl= e > on 13+, so I'm confined to UFS until ZoL guys can fix their sh^code. :( > > ./danfe > =2D- Gary Jennejohn