Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default

From: Emmanuel Vadot <>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:55:40 UTC
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:19:54 -0700
Benjamin Kaduk <> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:47 AM Emmanuel Vadot <>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > "Rodney W. Grimes" <> wrote:
> >
> > > We need to STOP these "I dont like the 20 year old defaults,
> > > so I am going to change them to what I like and use"  It is NOT
> > > forward progress on making a better system, it is tilting at
> > > defaults, very long established defaults, that should probably
> > > just be left alone.
> >
> >  It's not "I don't like", it's "We don't like". If we can't change
> > FreeBSD default to what most of our users want I don't know why we're
> > still working on this OS.
> >
> **We** can change the defaults.  But to know that we, as a community, have
> consensus to make the change, we need to have a conversation.  Having that
> conversation before making the change seems like a much better [*] approach
> than presenting the change as a fait accompli and waiting for dissent.
> In other words, I am okay with changing the default (I personally do not
> feel a need for it), but am unhappy that there was no conversation about it
> other than a phabricator review that was apparently only open for about a
> day.
> -Ben
> * I have some other, more precise, adjectives I would like to use, but I
> think the risk of them being interpreted harmfully is too high to use them
> in this forum.  I'm happy to talk more in some other forum if you want.

 If I knew that this change would have caused that much mails I would
have send a mail to current or whatever before and left the review
opened for more time.
 I honestly thought that this setting was something that you setup once
when you installed a new machine (which doesn't happens very often) and
forget about it, you know another "ah crap yes I forgot about this, why
do we have such insane default. Oh well now that I disabled it locally
I don't have to think about it and won't change the default". Instead
this time I didn't say to myself that I won't change it and I did.

Emmanuel Vadot <> <>