Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default

From: Alexey Dokuchaev <>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:28:22 UTC
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:55:00PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 9:17 PM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 01:52:26PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > > This discussion to date has been data free. I created a poll...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You couldn't use neutral wording, could you?  The poll is loaded
> > with bias, this is not the way to collect answers.  FWIW, FreeBSD
> > itself does not make "loud, annoying noise", it simply instructs
> > the underlying hardware to beep.  You've asked if people enjoy
> > loud, annoying beeps -- well, nobody does, but that's not what
> > we're discussing here.
> FreeBSD controls the pitch and duration of the noise. And there's
> at least one bug in it.
> [ technical details skipped ]
> Since most people find music pleasing, that makes it objectively
> annoying.  A similar analysis for the other common tunings (where
> A4 is one of 432, 436, 438, 440 (the most common these days), 442,
> 444, and 446Hz) yields similar results with varying degrees of
> subtonal dissonance.

Good, so let's fix the bug and make emitted sound more pleasant by
default, good catch!

> Also, the poll is running 4 to 1 for silence by default. While any
> bias in wording mighthave pushed it a little one way or the other,
> when it's this lopsided it's hard to argue that such bias affected
> the actual outcome.

Or it could, should you have worded it differently, we don't know.

> Our users aren't so unsophisticated as to be totally swayed by the
> choice of wording.

This is not how it works Warner, you don't first offer biased poll
and then defend skewed results by appealing to observed ratio and
how smart your target audience is.