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Berner" , Charlie Li , Jochen Neumeister , ports-committers , dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: d128a409234d - main - editors/xed: update to 3.2.4 Message-ID: References: <9d70934e-2267-998a-e445-0141447bf6c4@freebsd.org> <27f250c0-21ee-1b7b-8d37-708c55c3508f@freebsd.org> <20220705142124.mq5nvdqrzghqruxd@aniel.nours.eu> <20220705145251.cctyi3c3sy4clqjq@aniel.nours.eu> List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the ports repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-ports-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20220705145251.cctyi3c3sy4clqjq@aniel.nours.eu> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1657045232; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=1/PIQ9PSuMoZ6xWyhTdfBoROpT+3MyhzVoqTomZigLE=; b=rX096gO0KPO3j/fU1LIoOp3W4AlQdDmO6ZZEae2l6T+PeOEWvpYtOPRx9pO03dlsiQw2l8 t/hbnkbK9OhfhAt/VRUbkGKglBMl4tssVuJFXMbhFK6TTc2Qx6QhLkHdWxYcVnmyFqJcYD E0V4GuKglwjnT1hsttGelW6p+JrzKguUj5M5RIvsMhy/iCp6ZcXB0gSKUVwWEN5TMw/qy6 VoNVozIFWWEOU0SHTuoVcB4LYL2tLo7XwrBrfYFzMfZsi224FCsiFiBUGZtIee7NpFzzbB XbIHSLISEuCqILUpnm7ov5/MkRVgIFfH2lRqq89XUnfShe+nz2o3eaaweyLG5w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1657045232; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qS9crRoENgTo5Wxup2Q3tX390MUp4Was6SNcItbmgYzlN1kjkqX9PH8hA/YiuGm0rpKqGQ 6D/3s+Ywpff1OirDyrAwjwCtovweagXYJQCe8lZaIurVvoH2M4O7ueFqmspapsqJO6PuDg d+y/hBZltvKy6ml9jxFdo9tQCiVyMsCQr9LSdsWfRhoKiA/HBs+LRVPYNafN5Y1iA6DJ8Y PDcIo6DD2FawGFh4N1mkXRDk41OviAGn5ClY4IHkrOdlgFApAhE6TFCmyxcsJ+50I81lb7 NhhJxgSMiksXH/YI1XygCzzhRwq+sSMJFGlFYhzI/6zhbK+tskazvVbyKjycyw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, Jul 05, 2022 at 04:52:51PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 05, 2022 at 02:41:05PM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > ... > > Why [the Created by is unfair]? > > the discussion happened many time during the last 10 years. > Many people complained (I'll let you dig our bugzilla for such cases) I can't remember such cases. If you claim there were many, you could've at least give us keywords to search, if not the actual bug numbers. :) > because some port were made quick & dirty pushed in the ports tree, > then a "hero" clean up and maintain for years before moving elsewhere, > the main credit remain to the initial porter. If the quality of work does not justify the creator tag, don't give it, or assign to the one who did the actual work. I don't see the problem here. How does the sad fact that some people submit shit prevent us from acknowledging the good work from others, which is the majority? > Worse if you do something from that intial port for a reason or another > (the repocopy ss it was was done a lot in the past) let say porta1 -> > porta2. Even if the port was rewritten from scratch when the porta2 was > proposed, because of the repocopy the Created by line was inherited, > and if removed people like you do complain. That's right, I'd probably complain. But you're forgetting that I am rational and easy to work with. :) Example: I've originally created the `www/choqok' port; in April 2018, Tobias updated it to 1.6.0 (kf5-based) and moved the kde4 version to `www/choqok-kde4', dropping the attribution on the new port. When I've asked about it, he said "it has been kept in place in the port you created: www/chokoq-kde4. If you insist I can add it to the new one, which you did not touch in anyway too...". Guess what: I agreed and said that while I'd myself normally keep original author during the repocopy or resurrection (even in case if I have to replace almost all of their work), I also understand that it might seem weird or not very applicable, just as it was that very time. Notice how well Tobias had handled this in 2018, by his quote alone. Why can't we keep the same level of conversation and mutual respect without enforcing more and more stupid restrictions on how we porters do our work and get our fun and satisfaction? This is so upsetting! :( ./danfe